83- How to Get Rid of Parasites with Shelley Gawith

Bryan: 00:15 What's up everyone? I'm Bryan Carroll and I'm here to help people who have an injury or illness that holds them back from enjoying the outdoors. And today we are going to be talking about a gross topic. So here's a little backstory. I took my cat in for a checkup and the vet was talking about how we should deworm our cat since he hangs out in the chicken coops around the neighborhood. She also mentioned that cats get worms from licking their fur and also eating the fleas that's in there for. So it is recommended to a deworm animals every couple of months, if not more often than that. So it got me thinking if it is that easy for animals to get worms and we should deworm them pretty often. Why don't we ever talk about that for humans, over a quarter of the human population doesn't have access to adequate sanitation and over 11% doesn't have access to clean water.

Bryan: 01:06 And that is only the water we drank or bathe in. Then that doesn't even tap into the other ways to get parasites like food not being cooked to the right temperatures or even things we touch every single day. So I brought on someone who has had a lot of experience with parasites. Shelley Gawith with has had near death experiences with parasites and mold, and that is what she focuses on a lot within her practice. Before we dive into this episode, a fantastic way to help the body eradicate nasty pathogens like parasites and mold is to use a near infrared sauna. Our friends over at Sauna space just released new bulbs that provide three times the strength of the old bulbs, which means you don't have to spend nearly as much time in the sauna to receive the same amount of benefits. Go to summitforwellness.com/sauna to learn more. Now let's jump into my conversation with Shelley.

Bryan: 02:02 Shelley Gawith is a nutritional therapy practitioner based in New Zealand. She had her own crisis with chronic illness and now helps others to find the root causes to their chronic illnesses so they can turn their lives around in reclaim their own health. Once again, thank you for coming onto the show, Shelley.

Shelley: 02:19 Thank you for having me Bryan. I'm super excited and passionate.

Bryan: 02:24 Yeah, I have to say, you are the first New Zealander onto the show, so we are blessed to have your accent and everything joining us.

Shelley: 02:33 I love America. I love all Americans with your cool accent. Me Too. So I'm very excited. But Bryan who might've re pronounce some words for your listeners.

Bryan: 02:43 Yeah, there's definitely a, some crosses there between language where things can get lost in translation. And I learned that on your podcast when I was over on there. So

Shelley: 02:54 Even when I'm ordering things in cafes in America, sometimes my friends will, but we'll it cause the white she's looking is looking at me and be like, I don't know. What did she just say?

Bryan: 03:07 Well let's dive into your background a little bit because you didn't start in the nutritional world. You had your own health crisis and that's Kinda led you from what you were doing before becoming a nutritional therapist to where you are now. So Kenyon talk about what were you doing, what was the health crisis and how did you discover nutrition?

Shelley: 03:26 I probably couldn't have gotten from the nutritional world if I've tried previously. So I was in a counseling and then I moved into working at an basement then kind of as the finance manager where I ran a team of a couple of times with people and I was living across the ditch as we say in Australia. So I was the typical 80 type personality, burning the candle at both ends, at overtrain exercise wise. Cause that was my way of reducing strengths. I worked extremely long hours and didn't think sleep mattered at all, which happened, which led to my health crisis. And then I studied as well because there wasn't enough going on in my life. So I always, and I was on that wanting to climb the corporate ladder. I'll open say that's very much, I was very ambitious and very driven and I thought that I was really healthy as a lot of my clients do when they first come in to see me.

Shelley: 04:19 I didn't take out. And so to me that means that I was really healthy, but what I was doing was feeding my body with copious amounts of coffee each day and gluten free, but sugar treats because I needed the energy. So I didn't have any understanding that my body was talking to me at all. And if I got tired, I just had more coffee. So I just pushed myself harder and harder and harder. I never thought that maybe I should sleep more or maybe I should reduce my coffee intake or go do yoga or something. So, and I would do real high intensity exercise as well and wanting to run like half-marathons. So that was fine until I moved to another bank to a bigger promotion and we, I got full blown and Windsor, so not just a sore throat or a sniffly nose. I got diagnosed with influenza and that point, my system just crashed.

Shelley: 05:12 That was the icing on the cake. There were lots of things that had really been going on in the background that I've just ignored and pushed down. Like I had low thyroid as a maximum medication for my thyroid and whenever I'd go see my doctor, I just asked for more medication. Like that's all I wanted. Like when I got tired again, I'd ask for the next dose of pyroxene. That was all I ever wanted was to get back to work. So I bought them for when Zack and six months before that. What I didn't realize at the time, the impact on the health was, I've been living in a mold rental house in Sydney and because of the humidity in Sydney, lots of the houses had mold issues. So I found out that I was highly allergic to mold and highly allergic to my house.

Shelley: 05:56 So I moved out a day. But what I didn't realize was the impact that his head incremental impacted her head on my health. So I had a low immune system from the mold thrown at me rolling influenza and that was, that was the icing on the cake sort of thing. What shut me down. So then for the next few months, next day in Sydney, I could no longer work. I had to resign from my job because I'd lost my mental function. I couldn't get out of bed. I physically couldn't do anything. It got to the point that my doctor was like, actually, you're probably going to die. So it hospitalized. And food hadn't really come into it that much. I kind of seen a couple of herbalists or whatever in Australia and I was, I'd added in quotes, but not really. But at the point when the doctors said that she was going to host, realize me, all of a sudden alarm bells went off in my head and I was like, I think of, I get hospitalized eating the food in the hospital.

Shelley: 06:51 I really will die. Didn't know anything about nutrition at that point. Bryan don't even know why that crept into my mind or what it cause really 24 hours a day. Ts probably seemed like a smart option. But as Steve, my parents got cooled up and my mom had to give up her life. And so they took me back home to New Zealand and for the next two years my mom knows me. And once again I started seeing doctors in New Zealand and being an investment banker, what you always do is throw money at things cause that's gonna fix everything. And so from being suspicious, the top specialists from around the world to try and work out why I'd lost like by this stage, I couldn't even read a symptom as asleep. I was awake for 20 minutes a day. I couldn't get out of bed. I couldn't walk to the toilet by herself.

Shelley: 07:39 I was collecting like I wasn't even really functioning. I wasn't a functioning human adult with my parents. My mom was drinking everything. And so the doctors here once again wanted to hospitalize me and they were just like, we don't know what's wrong with your daughter and we don't know what to do. And that 11 months into this journey I was, I said to my parents one day, what's being around, this was in my 20 minutes that I was awake. What's the around eva? It's food is got to be selling to this food thing, right? Like we hadn't really explored that at that point. I've gone gluten free, dairy free, sugar free. My mom had just, when he did that, I didn't really know what I was thinking anyway, slipped and bug me and so that's when we got serious about food. So my mom was like, with you'll five or 10 minutes that you are awake a day, you research stuff and I'll start implementing those things we did was she sat at my mom and dad and my bone broth every single day and we have two musical foods and that was it.

Shelley: 08:37 I would still see all the clinicians. I was still getting help, but this was when I had my GP at the time got me on to gouges his book, primal food or whatever it was, but it was like an encyclopedia. Now I can read it, but with you're not awake for very long at a time and you're blessed to meet. So my mom would kind of just read it and flip through it every single day and learn something new and just start to implement those skills. And with that, with the change in diet, which was the very first thing, I started to stay awake for 90 minutes a day, which was huge. I would not climb my parents like literally cool, like a baby, get to the top, fall asleep again. But then I could sit up and say like for 90 minutes. So as far as we were concerned, this was a huge win and food was amazing with that.

Shelley: 09:24 And fast forwarding fast, we then I decided that I want to set it in nutrition but as a little bit homeward bound obviously. And I couldn't really do much for myself. So I started to look through every single course around the wealth that was out there and I found the nutritional therapy association and I messaged them and right now I'm great in the end, look at me now and the like when we seed your eat, when we received your email, we didn't realize how sick you would otherwise, we would never have let you all in the course that you are sticking a student that we've ever seen. So when you see do a beard bound, we didn't really fully understand that, but through the study and through being able to study, I would implement everything that I learned. I started to realize what was happening.

Shelley: 10:09 My, my whole body had shut down. I had so much toxicity like I had to hit the metal toxicity parasites, fundus yeast, like you name it. My Dad health was just diabolical and nobody had even started to address that with me in terms of all the experts that I was seeing and I had no digestive function. My adrenals were like absolutely out of whack my hormones, everything. But again, changed for me was when I started to learn all about gut health and, and the impact of the molded head, but how that had opens up the door for parasites and it all the other leaches in my body that were just draining me of nutrition in energy, if anything.

Bryan: 10:50 Yeah. When you break that down and you take a really deep look at it, it really shows you the power of what we're putting into our body. But it also shows us the power of the, the resiliency of the body to be able to have mold, fungus, parasites and everything you could ever imagine that's possible packed into one body and you're still alive. That's, that's amazing.

Shelley: 11:16 You're right Bryan. And it's amazing. And I remember at the time I didn't fully comprehend that cause I was just so sick when I was doing my own labs and stuff and getting my results and just seeing the Tucks, the city that was in my body, like just seeing the number of parasites that I had in the yeast and the Modal Eagles and the hitting,labels. And it's only since looking back kind of as a clinician eyes. I'm like, how? Like I can see, I like you say why I was stuck in bed and just couldn't get data, but also that will resiliency and that real desire to live. Like I just wanted to live and I was willing to fight and doing everything that I could when the medical keep telling me that there was more hope, I would sit in my doctor's office.

Shelley: 11:57 It'd be like you said his and he used to, I used to have to see him every fortnight, depending on my energy levels, but he would always be like, what new idea? You're going to come with new mixed. Like you literally see all this research, you try the latest thing, you end up getting worse, but still you come back here. Like you just looked at me like I used to, but, but it was that real wanting to live and keep fighting and just get to the root causes of just knowing that I couldn't live like this. And yes, diet was amazing, but for me it wasn't everything and it wasn't going to heal. What was actually in my bottom.

Bryan: 12:34 And today we're gonna dive deeper into the parasites. So can you talk about just some different ways that you can get parasites, especially where you live, but for most countries in the world they can probably get pretty similar ways.

Shelley: 12:48 Yes, definitely. And I think that's the biggest thing. Like when I went with clients now, clients are always like, where did I get this parasite from? Like where did it come from? And the reality is, and not only do one way, cause I'm very positive. Listen, it's easy for all of us to be exposed to parasites these days. Most of us are living with the mystic animals, most of us. And now living in apartments where the domestic animals stay inside, right? Like we're now living without domestic animals. Traditionally the animals will often outside. But most of us have cats or dogs. How many of those cats and dogs sleep? When I bet, right? Like animals, I kind of just dusting like I love my small puppy dark, what we wrong and he's a very sleep. But I looked at her and I'm like, you probably just deal with parasites, but you will probably, and you're probably passing them onto me.

Shelley: 13:38 But quite often small animals sleep on children's visits, get into the children. Children don't always wash their hands properly. Now that touching doorknobs so that touching things in the house or that eating things that then the appearance eight now I passed that on that way too. All that going out into the world touching things and rural touching things. So, and that's not a bad thing, but one of them just through contacts, through animals in New Zealand, a lot of people live on farms, so we're picking it up through fun animals too. Then you've got the whole like mosquitoes, mosquitoes pass them around like flying parasites like and then like how many people get wounds, right? And they all, they have animals get worms. Like we need to de with animals, what every six months or whatever it is. But the over the counter medication that you get from the pharmacy doesn't kill off the wounds in the body.

Shelley: 14:29 In the Cuban body. It's the prices, the symptoms. So often people think that their child's gotten rid of the whoops, but if you haven't actually killed it off, it's still sitting in your child's body, in your body, and you can also get parasites through water. And like how many of us go out into nature? How many of us drink water from the streams or whatever. You know what I mean? Like how even in New Zealand where we're so fond of saying it's so clean and green, it's not what it used to be. I rang ward, I can get these parasites. Then you've got with any sorts of raw meat and I really like all meat. I really, there's so many rerated with the health benefits of it and so I'm a bit torn in terms of what do you do. But then you can also still ask Bryan or I were talking about before this started recording and you can get it through cooked meat too because most of us are cooking today by a teamwork show like you picture, you know the actual barbecue or fire and put the food on the medium that it's really getting like see it on the outside, it's black and really hot like it's burning.

Shelley: 15:34 We're not doing that without food that we present and put on the table. Most of us can eat the food at room timber like eat it as soon as it's set so we're not and then also through through through fruits and vegetables. So even even when we say that its super safe eat fruit and vegetables. That's also another one that I actually worked recently Bryan when I was looking into this as pigs pigs like some of us realized that that quite dirty. Admittedly I still love some good organic free range Bacon. Like I really do struggle to give that up but the reason why that that also parasitic like riddled with them. I just think pigs being juicy, but what I actually found out recently is they've got their lymphatic system, so they've got no way to flush these toxins out of the body.

Bryan: 16:23 Yeah. So if you do a quick Google search for parasites and pigs, you can seen some pretty gross stuff. And that's usually from like pig farms. We actually grow our own pigs every single year and we had one year where we had some heartworms and the pigs and that was the first time, like we've ever seen worms in our food before. But then after that we started to deworm them before it was time to turn them into dinner. And, e haven't had any issues since. So definitely know the farmers, know the sourcing and make sure that they're taking really good care of the animals. Because that will definitely lily lesson the worms and the parasites that's in the meat that you're getting.

Shelley: 17:11 Definitely. But like so interesting that you saw our firsthand.

Bryan: 17:16 Yeah. Yeah. And it wasn't that many, actually, if you looked at it, you could see a couple of little heartworms, but it wasn't like, I mean, we don't eat the pig heart anyways, but the rest of the meat was totally fine. So

Shelley: 17:30 Interesting. So that kind of creeps like how many of us know the pink files, right? Like we might ingle sourcing organic free range food now, but it's still like what you say, like you were growing it yourself and it still turned up.

Bryan: 17:44 Yup. Yup. And we had no idea that was even a possibility until that moment. And then that's when we're like, this is a thing that we need to look into. But yeah, so you definitely can get it. And that's from, you know, a really clean area where we raise them. And so if you think about most of the food that you're getting from the store, and it's, you know, these pigs from these big farms have no room to move and they're all just sitting in each other's slop all day long. Yeah. It's pretty gross. When you look at those images,

Shelley: 18:17 Our site, you can pass it onto others, right? Like that's the other thing that's like, it's easy to spread it to cry. So once you've got one, most of my clients I see you've got parasites and well educated, privileged people. So this is not a, doesn't things, the status or classes or anything like that. Like this is everyone. You're not into it because you live in a big apartment. Well, you live in a nice house or whatever it is that we think. And so if you've got one, it's easy to scrape them. And how many of us we've been to app partners and actual drug

Bryan: 18:57 So yummy.

Shelley: 18:59 [Inaudible]

Bryan: 19:00 So now that I'm thinking about it, so when I think of parasites or worms, I think a tapeworms and they can get really, really big but do parasites come and all sorts of different shapes, sizes,

Shelley: 19:14 Like I did still tasting right? Like when I get clients to their stills to seven, they obviously breaks down what they can see under the microscope. So they'll very specifically say what parasites turned up. So I totally Google them and like sat and I freak out like they were meeting like is that huge thing. I've had one client literally like Pooh outlet, just strings and strings like the like just like she was like, do you want a photo? I was like, no thank you. I also do lots of pieces so we can have all the different viral biles of the different parasites or the fungus we used to worry about so and so. So I generally just fit on a high level of it because when I was really thinking out on this, really looking into all the parasites and googling everything, I would tell clients the exact strings and as a practitioner that has made my life a living hell because they would get on Google and I would stop to look these things up and I'd be like, some of them are huge.

Shelley: 20:11 Like you say, it was like, no, I'm dumb. Like occasionally I'll look for the specific strains or if they had this store, like the labs told them, that's fine, but that just like people love Google now and it just freaks them out. Looking at the images like, like you say, you can get small ones and get big ones. They can be meters the law, right? Like I really like the general gist for clients is it's living in you, it's draining your energy and setting your nutrition and your nutrients. And it doesn't matter what it looks like. Let's not get caught up in the details and the nitty gritty. Let's think. Big picture here. Let's just get it back.

Bryan: 20:50 Yeah. And that, let's, let's go away from big picture and talk about some of the most common ones. Are there some that are most often seen compared to all the other ones?

Shelley: 21:00 All the worms. Any type of the worms. Well like any of them. Yeah, like the W and I think that's just because of the animals situation, if you know what I mean. Cause that often is when you've got like tapeworms pinworms went backwards. What was the other biggest like worms, the Emily that we see coming up and then I'm really bad, right? I should know this better, but all my clients laugh. I mean cause they know that I comprehend them properly. I'm like, bless the sisters, have [inaudible] is a very common one. Like most people are carrying around that and their bodies. I'm like, that's so, so, so common. Those are the biggest ones that I would see. And then there's different breakdowns, specific ones too.

Bryan: 21:42 And do they all show kind of the same symptoms in the body or do they have their own set of symptoms for each type?

Shelley: 21:49 No. So these generals general sentence, like all of us are different, right? So we'll always kind of put it slightly differently. But oh, and also at this age, what I need to remind you too is these x. So once you've got like a hookworm or tapeworm or flat wounds or any of these whims, they lay IX too. So you can kill off the actual mother for want of a better word, the master wine or whatever you want to talk about it like, but that was the lady eggs and your body. And they did not want to die either. So they, they reproduced as well. So you've got to come at it from both angles. But in terms of symptom wise, we oversee it differently, but they asked some common symptoms, right? So stool health is a big one. So if you can't go to the toilet, you have really loose stools, you really constipated.

Shelley: 22:35 And the problem with parasites, riders that in general, like even that one symptom could be in a holy, but other things too, right? So it's like you don't just wake up and go, oh gosh, like I've got loose stools that I, I must be parasite. If you'd had food place thing, if you'd be in a third world country and if you've been away camping or you just know that you've not had great water or anything like that, and then you get the real loose stones, then you probably know if you know what I mean. So that they can be the conviction of it. Also, believe it or not, they went to parasites and I was like blown away because this is me and that is, I'm clinching, you are grinding your teeth.

Speaker 4: 23:18 Hmm.

Shelley: 23:18 But once again, that could be a whole heap of other things. So a in isolation grinding of the teeth isn't necessarily like, oh my gosh, your teeth grind up quick. I bet. Again, I've been at two SMY stools, but it's stress on your body. And another big one is not sweets, which once again people can put down to hormonal changes and if anything changes like your suites get worse around the moon cycles as well. Parasites with you want to believe it or not and we lose is too. We will not, they follow the rune cycle too. It can, I like to think of real kinds like the wheel, you know, like that we all grew up with in the movies and he comes out at the new moon or whatever it is. It's kind of like that Chalene's pain and aches in your muscles.

Shelley: 24:04 So often when I see clients detoxifying, getting the parasites out of their body, their hips still get really sore. Or they'll get chronic soreness in their jaw. Certainly there'll be other places, but, and rashes and Eczema, once again, these can be food intolerances. So a lot of these things,seven wait days, malnutrition because you're not getting all the nutrients from your food. Another one would be fatigue, exhaustion. That was me. And then always being hungry. This is a key one with children and I see this a lot and I was this child so I think that I was probably born with these parasites when the like, especially when they've got brothers and sisters or whatever and they just eating really well so they're not eating like takeout, they're not eating hits of sugar but that kind of eating how their parents are.

Shelley: 24:52 Right. So they've got like their balance of good veggies and protein. But your child, just like if ever in the pantry wanting more foods because they're not getting the nourishment from this though cause the parasites are taking a lot of it. That's always a telltale sign. So when parents tell me that that's when I want to investigate the children's health too because they can come in from a very young age and also a couple more symptoms brainstorm and just irrational emotions. But all of those symptoms can come down to off a whole heap of other conditions too.

Bryan: 25:28 Yeah. It's Kinda like when we talked about mold, mold presents itself as a million different things too. So it's really hard to pinpoint. But you have mentioned multiple times that you used a stool test. Is that the best testing out there for parasites?

Shelley: 25:44 It's the easiest excusable one out there for parasites. But what we've got to remember is parasites are very clear. So when you go to your normal medical doctor and they do a stool test for you, that for them to say that you've got a parasite and has to be live when they are looking at it. Right. I cannot be good and it can not be x and parasites like I told about them in clinic as thing versus like very clear crafty critters. They don't want to die. They don't want you to kill them off. They'll still themselves in your like in your gut. It's a warm home. They're getting feared, they're getting restarted, they're getting everything that they need. I told about them like the real living organisms cause they are, and they'll Eugene from you. So when you get your doctor to do the test, and this is nothing, that's the medical system and listen live like moving in your stool that I come back and say don't have any parasites.

Shelley: 26:39 So then, so that's why they can be a difference between functional medicine doctors, nutritionists, and your mainstream medical doctor. So they can say no, there's nothing. And that also running for chronic disease, like they're looking at the disease. When you do a stool test with a functional doctor or functional labs that often I do one of the multiple days because 24 hours isn't enough time. Parasites go through cycles like conditions sort of thing where they can hide, they can come out and different like different periods. They're not just always out in your stools every 24 hours. So you need to collect it over a range of days. And then when affectional lab does that are looking for eggs and they're looking at the good ones as well, so they can see ditch, arasites like whatever you'll want looks like or the small or whatever. They will say that you've got a parasite condition. And then there's other, prctitioners that would do muscle testing. So you can also do that to ever work out. But it's different. And then GI mapping, which is the latest lab that's really come out, that's really cause that's using technology based on like your thing, that DNA that doesn't even use the microscope at all. And so that putting that kind of at the premium NGS of what's the base testing in terms of lab testing for parasites.

Bryan: 27:58 So if you're doing a stool test and you have lab parasites coming out in the stools, is that an indicator that there's a ton of parasites in your body so much that it's making its way out into your school?

Shelley: 28:10 Great question. Because clients always want to know this too. They know cause it can be a holy book. Say you're not working with a practitioner at all. And so you're not detoxing, you're not changing any of the ecosystem. Your body, you haven't gone out on Saturday, Saturday, the probiotic foods or probiotic supplements, anything like that. And that's just the status quo then. Yes, it can definitely mean it probably means that you'd been recently with them. So that probably very current and probably because if I've been in your body for a while, you actually need to do some damage to their home to get them out. So yeah, if you've done nothing else and you've suddenly had food wasting, we've, you've been in a third wheel trunk tree or you've suddenly gotten bloated overnight, you can probably, and you see them. Yeah. You definitely that the alive and the like really wriggling around them.

Bryan: 29:02 So what are some ways to get the parasites out of your body? Are there certain herbs, supplements, like what's the best process for that?

Shelley: 29:12 So definitely an a cool place at choice, right? Like I'm saying to clients that you have to do it naturally or you have to deal with you know, patient when you do like a lab that will always tell you the natural options and the medical options. So you're gonna always take antibiotics and sometimes there's a time and a place for it, but that obviously does a whole heap of other damage to your good gut bacteria and all. And it just upsets as I like to say, you've got play ecosystem. It changes the whole ecosystem. So that's one that is one way of doing it. And it's legitimate. Like for some of these strands of parasites, they can be so hard to kill off that you do have to go in guns blazing with the Healey hit us, right? Like where it's just like a, somebody's life so impacted by it or they're not going to respond.

Shelley: 29:56 Not all the eyesight's response in their actual treatments, unfortunately. Otherwise there's always next to this natural treatments in terms of herbal remedies. So sound like, just want purple. So kind of like with your fun, go on product with mode. You can get the herbal remedies and I sit in by student is got great herbal remedies for it. So then like tinctures that are really strong, they, you can take supplements of course to kill them off. So it's things like apex energetics has a great one called Paris system. And then by [inaudible] those are the two companies that I mainly use a whole bunch, but it's kind of looking for like work [inaudible] or there's like some of my ingredients that kill them off. But once again, it depends on what strange you've got. So garlic won't kill off every single parasite in your body or God, I won't kill it off.

Shelley: 30:46 Depending on what you've got, we'll we won't kill it off. And some people need the mixtures to Berberine's another one, Katherine's enough. Keppra, I pull it [inaudible] biotics product, but I think it's kept for the Pollock. Yeah, that like the main ones. And then you also always want to use a product for killing off the bio thing, which is the x. So I like to use by a Po sisters tea. I like it. Very gentle products for clients,because these things like you've got to just detoxify them out of your body and you can people to get their sick doing this. So you always want to make sure that you're also supporting like the liver, the lymph system and their whole stress system and their body, their adrenals, because otherwise you can just, it's too much. It's too hard on the body. And even just supporting the liver initially to help the detox can be a heavier process before you even go in there as such, try and kill them off.

Bryan: 31:46 So if I wanted to see if I had parasites and I started taking high doses of garlic, would I start seeing things wiggling around in the toilet? Well,

Shelley: 31:54 Right. I get mixed replies, see it straight away. Like that's where I've had clients peeing out, pulling out like films and films of y, like just pieces of string. Like literally at clients and even even young kids, we'll see speakers like heaps and heaps of white or black speakers, right? Their pools will just be filled with them. Sapphires just get explosive like watery diaries, diary stools like w it's just like explosive, like don't really see anything. So we'll see black little bits where like,Kinda like knits in this stores. So some people will see [inaudible] and other people see absolutely nothing. And the only reason they know it's gone is because their symptoms have changed. All they've done another led t so some, some people's experience. And it's really funny cause my clients that get the experience of seeing nothing feel disappointed and ripped off like they are. Like what, what was this process like? The steps I all my clients to see stuff or like, oh I wish that I didn't see anything.

Bryan: 32:59 So when you do take the supplemental approach, do you have to use pretty high doses of this stuff to actually

Shelley: 33:08 Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I'll be supporting your dad. You'll get live and your lymph system and make sure that you're not in a stressed out state, which is the irony because you're in a stressed state cause you got parasites. The parasites are causing stress. But if you got yourself out of that stress, that stay, they stayed because it interrupts the vocation process as a parasympathetic process, right? That you've got to be in that race, the relaxed sprite stage. But how do you do that when you build these talks is living in you so you're in this total straight step. So that's why sometimes it can be too hard doing it naturally for some people. And once you've done these high doses, you now need to really rebuild your immune system. And also you've got health, like you want to feed that ecosystem as fast as possible as well and really heal that gap because you've totally annihilated. You've got Wyoming by the end of this.

Bryan: 34:01 So like someone for like you who had parasites, mold, all this other stuff, your gut was destroyed. Where do you start? Do you focus on trying to rebuild the gut but you can't really rebuild the gut if, yeah, mold and parasites and all this stuff going on. So where the heck do you start there?

Shelley: 34:19 Right. Question 22 what do you do first? And I've got a client like this currently at the moment she's a mom and she's like, wait, she's got a huge amount of parasites on her body involved all sorts of things and barely can get out of bed. So, and this was my story too, but every client's different is once again you need to get, which sounds really counterintuitive cause it's like what? You're not dealing with the gap. You actually need to get the adrenals. We need to support the body is like the cellular health at the adrenal health cause you need imaging like you'll body and I say this clinic to clients to help them explain it. You'll body's putting up a huge fight. So yes, you're going to take these supplements to do it for you to help do it, but your buddy still needs the energy to actually about to kill them off and flush them out of your body.

Shelley: 35:07 So you want to really support the adrenals and the liver. Cause where is all this stuff going? You'll live in go to detoxify. So most of us, so for example, my journey, yes I had parasites, yeast, fungus, mold. I had it all. So if we think I had any sort of liver function at all, then you know what I mean? In terms of my liver was like, so Hemet, like I had been trying to look after me and do everything that it could. So I have ruined all these like high fi loads of like, I remember when I was getting rid of them like IDP or Oregon. Oh, the main ingredient, I think 12 a day. That's a huge load that I'd never get a client to take. But I knew that the adrenal health and the liver support to be able to get it out.

Shelley: 35:49 So I focused on that initially. Really try to calm down my body. And then the problem is also if you kind of got to get to the Jack you up in terms of what is the top one for you. So heavy metals, parasites and mold kind of all go together. As you get rid of those, you can also get rid of a lot of the yeast addictions in the person's body, right? So they can kind of be and dairy. So, but it's kind of like tech one of them to release some who's the middle. Like they all bind together. It's just makes it a whole like extra thing if you've got all of which I did, thank goodness. Not all my clients just have parasites and I'm like we don't need to worry about the low, we don't need to worry about the heavy metals.

Shelley: 36:32 Nick, we've got this as pretty straightforward and pretty easy. And so it is a case of which one, it's kind of like teachers, I don't know if you guys played teachers where it's like what can you get to like collect the wall. So it's like what do I need to do to get the most impact on it? And so stuff like our gamma parasite to work some balls. It works for a bunch of things. Right? So that can open the way and I can start clearing out. We could be middles and my highs as well. So it is a bit of a like what do you start with this? And also it can be what is like kind of the king of the jungle. What is the biggest parasite or critter, right? Like what is the number one to focus on? Can we get rid of that and get rid of a whole bunch of other lists or do we need to build the person up where we get rid of some of the smaller low laying or low hanging fruit, get that out so it brings down the stress on the body and then they'll be able to jumps by the race cars and at least stressed out state.

Shelley: 37:29 So it's very individualized on the person, what their health, like what the rest of the body's doing. And you picked it up from a third world country, right? You've just got food poisoning or something. It's pretty. If you'd been in good health pre that. Like I had one climate at the beginning of this year, young girl, 24 right? Health, we Thailand for a few months, got food, got food poisoning, suddenly got promoted, stores changed. She was like, when she came back it was easy. Like we could go straight into there and it was such an easy process. Just kind of like this parasite thing, weight loss. Overnight. I think it's dream. I'm so happy if you know what, so definitely depends on the circumstances and the age as well.

Bryan: 38:09 And so if you're on a pretty hefty protocol to get rid of parasites, then the protocol for the after that protocol must be pretty extensive to rebuild the body and rebuild the gut too, I'm assuming.

Shelley: 38:22 Totally. It's not all over. Also Cameron should have had it even when you're on the portico to kill off the parasites, I say kill off because people get that you still want a t. This is the irony of it. Clients like what you want to keep like keep on taking nutrients to heal your gut. Even though I kind of think about like a brick pathway, we have come in with a sleep sham out, which is kind of what the supplement is that to get rid of the parasites, you're breaking it up. So you want to keep smoothing a town at the same time because of you in a state of stress with the gut. You don't asterisk Paris. So you're on this. So you're kind of like bit by bit. And so once we finish, yes, you're getting all of the benefits of the gut healing and you really want to feel you'll get and you really want to nourish it. And that's like I'm big into just feeding a good gut bacteria with food, like begins diet. But if you've been on a huge protocol, that's when you kind of want to make sure that you've got all the strategies coming in. Like, and I would, and I have personally and I do with clients, I will use probiotics at that time to repopulate the ecosystem and put all the good things that are and they maintain it with diet.

Bryan: 39:29 And have for you probiotics, are you using spore based probiotics or a mixed variety?

Shelley: 39:35 I have variety, but I do really like that make a school branch that like why am I favorite? But once again, when you do it slow tasting, if there's a specific strain that somebody needs, cause they're just so low in it, like sacrifices Belarus. Another one that I'm bad at saying I will heavily populate with that too. Because like an ecosystem, if you're really low and the good gut bacteria you have in the doorway for the bad ones to come in as well. So if it needs to, so that can also be, you could be detoxifying some of the bad bacteria without even taking someone's strong just by repopulating all the good stuff.

Bryan: 40:12 Yeah. And if people want to learn more about the mega spore probiotics, we had Karen Krishnan on this show in episode 57 so you can swing over there and listen to that episode as well. Well Shelley, is there anything else that you want to touch base on when it comes to parasites?

Shelley: 40:29 Ah, no. I think the main thing is you just want them out of the bottom because the biggest thing people will say to me is they don't even like what happens with health, right? When you put that piece in it often it permutes leads a decline and we just adapt to, we just adjust, right? Cause that's all we know and humans are really good at addicting. It's our biggest strength, right? Like that's what we do. And so it's often once clients get this out of their bodies like move on and they're like, oh my gosh, I can't believe how much of my energy was being sucked out of me and I didn't even realize that. And I say steps cause literally the like the leeches sucking it out of your body, right to most people like Ah, it was a game changer in terms of just how much data, they didn't necessarily had bet any symptoms or they didn't recognize these symptoms. But energy-wise and brain health wise, they just felt amazing.

Bryan: 41:20 Awesome. Shelley will, my final question for you is do you have a morning routine and if so, what is it?

Shelley: 41:26 I do have a morning routine. I loved, I'm one of those annoying people that wakes up before the alarm every single day excited to get a bed. I don't like to rush. It's the total opposite to like my business banking days. I get up and make a hot, I turn on the Jack. I made a make a hot drink no matter what. Like, I don't care if I have to wake up an hour before my gym class to do this. And then I always go to the gym every morning or yoga class, come home, check my emails and then I'll start getting ready for the day.

Bryan: 41:56 Awesome. Well people can find [email protected] that's s h e l l e Y, g, a, W, I t h.com. Where else can people find you

Shelley: 42:07 On Facebook and Instagram? I'm the same way. So we started really sharing all this information and doing lots of interviews to get the information out. So many people don't realize the impacts. And then I do a club class that you will on with my friend Leah and that's low carb conversations as well. Although we don't really talk about low carbs, we just use that as an excuse to talk about pretty much anything and everything. Cause we had you on told me about boat.

Bryan: 42:34 Yup. And you're doing really good stuff over there on the low carb conversations as well so people can go check you out there. Well. Shelley, thank you so much for coming on a super enlightening episode here and also a Kinda gross at the same time.

Shelley: 42:48 I see. Great. Don't get on Google too much at the end of this, but I kind of want to not worth it.

Bryan: 42:58 All right Shelley, thank you so much. As you can see, parasites are everywhere and the majority of people do have some sort of parasite in their system. It's when we are overloaded with parasites that caused the most problems to our health. So it is a good idea to do a parasite cleanse every now and then just to keep your body clean, especially if you have ever traveled anywhere that doesn't have the best sanitation practices. So are you ready to take your health to the next level? If so, our health programs are designed to help you make lasting changes to your health. With our habit changing process, we walk alongside you on your health journey, making sure that you are successful and feel like the best version of you. We only take two new clients every single month. So to learn more, go to a summit for wellness.com/ready next episode we have Dr. Gordon Peterson on the show. He has five doctor degrees and has worked with some fascinating people in his life. So let's take a moment to learn more about Dr. Gordon Peterson. We are here with Dr. Gordon Peterson. Gordon, what is one unique thing about you that most people don't know?

Gordon: 44:09 One unique thing about me that most people don't know is how much I love the outdoors. I love to go hiking. I love kayaking. I love to go riding on my bike, and I just so enjoy the outdoors. I, it's like a supplement to me. Every time I go out for a ride on my bike or go for a hike,

Bryan: 44:29 Oh, where are you located? Is it or?

Gordon: 44:32 I'm located in Cedar Hills, Utah, right at the base of the mountains of Snowbird and Alto Ski Resorts.

Bryan: 44:40 Ooh, that's super fun over there. Yeah. Okay. Gordon, what will we be learning about in our interview together?

Gordon: 44:46 Silver is beneficial to the body because it destroys bacteria. Viruses and yeast. It works with the immune system and because it's alkaline and it's Ph balanced, it's going to be able to be taken every single day.

Bryan: 45:03 And then what are your favorite foods or nutrients that you think everyone should get more of in their diet

Gordon: 45:08 As an anti aging doctor? My favorite supplements include as central fatty acids because they make up the membrane of all the rest of the cells and I really like a little bit of protein supplementation without sugar. And I take turmeric and I take a daily vitamin as well.

Bryan: 45:30 And then what are your top three health tips for anyone who wants to improve their overall wellness?

Gordon: 45:35 I like the essence of wellness. Eat, sleep, Supplement, exercise, neutralized poisons, clean water, and eliminate stress. All of them is the one overriding element of your wellness and you're in charge of it. So when I say I'm with my doctor suggests, I hope that we can educate you to a point that you will be your own doctor and that you will suggest to yourself the essence of wellness.

Bryan: 46:03 The episode next week is packed full of good information. So keep climbing to the peak of your health and we'll see you next time.