185- Inside the Pharmaceutical Industry and Using Preventative Care

[00:00:16] Bryan Carroll: The pharmaceutical industry is one of those industries that everyone seems to have a love hate relationship with. Back in 2019, Harvard did a study that found that about 58% of Americans. Had negative views on the pharmaceutical industry and they did not trust them, and they also discovered that there is a lot of fraud in the pharmaceutical industry and then comes along a pandemic and people's faith in the pharmaceutical industry goes up.

And here we are a few years later and people are once again starting to distrust the pharmaceutical companies and are starting to realize that the pharmaceutical industry is a business and that the people are the customers. And at the end of the day, businesses are in business to make money. So that being said, just like anything else, there are pros and cons when it comes to the pharmaceutical industry.

And today I have Troy on the show who has been in the pharmaceutical industry for well over 20 years, and he is going to discuss what he learned from the inside and how his company is combining the pharmaceutical industry and the supplement industry to provide better care for people to be able to do some more preventative care and get ahead of potential illnesses in disease states before your body starts to give out on you.

So we'll dive into more of Troy's background here in a couple of seconds. But Troy has worked with some of the largest companies in the pharmaceutical and biotech industry, and so he has seen a lot of stuff from the inside and I'm very excited to have a chat with him to learn more about some of the inner workings of these companies and just what is going on behind the scenes.

So Troy also has his own company. It's called Centurion Labs, and you can find [email protected]. And he has a discount for anyone listening to this show. If you use a Code Summit, you can get 67% off of Bump, d h a, defender Immunity Boost, or Defender pm. So if you head on over to his website, then you can check those out.

And with that, let's dive into my conversation with Troy. Thank you, Troy, for coming onto the show. 

[00:02:25] Troy Duell: Super excited about being here. Appreciate you having me, Bryan. 

[00:02:27] Bryan Carroll: Of course. And I'm very excited for this conversation because you have come from the pharmaceutical industry and I'm very interested to hear what brought you from that industry into the work that you're doing now.

But before we do that, let's learn a little bit more about your background and who you are. 

[00:02:42] Troy Duell: Absolutely. I, I think what has led me along the path is, I started out fairly young when I was 11 or 12, really getting into fitness and not real sure what drove me there. Probably that competitive desire with my oldest brother to always have a competitive advantage towards him.

So I would run, do pushups, do everything, and always looked to get better. And when I did that, That kind of led into my desire in college to do some research on it and got a degree in sports medicine and kinesiology and just loved learning about how the body works and how to make the body more efficient and really see what the body is capable of, because I think it's an incredibly designed machine and just learned a great deal about it from that.

Then after doing that, I went and played. Professional soccer for about four years and really continued to try to strive to get the best and most outta my body what little God gave me and the abilities. So just growing in that, and from there was teaching and coaching, so always trying to add a little something to the mix and.

Finally ended up getting into pharmaceutical world and have been there ever since. So started my own pharmaceutical company in 2005 called Centurion Labs, and we just grew it from there. 

[00:04:07] Bryan Carroll: It's kind of interesting that you went the pharma route considering all of your experience with the body, and I'm, I'm interested to know, why don't you choose something like.

Physical therapy or become a surgeon or athletic trainer or something like that. What drove you to become or get into the pharmaceutical industry? 

[00:04:27] Troy Duell: Yeah, it's a great question When I get all the time, so initially I was thinking physical therapy would be a great line of work to get into. Did some internships with that and it just didn't really light a fire within me about, hey, how to get better.

And I, I think some of that dealt with, if you're dealing with athletes, they always want to get better, but you're not always dealing with athletes within the physical therapy world. You have a lot of people who don't want to get better and they're not motivated to get better. So that was one thing that kind of kept me from going in the physical therapy world with sports medicine, athletic training.

I did that for several years while I was still doing the playing soccer. So I was helping with athletic training and doing that kind of stuff. But it ended up being that the hours were just so long that, and you weren't getting paid a lot. So decided to to jump into the pharmaceutical world and that's kind of what led me down that path cuz I was able to, to still do the research and learn more about the body and build my knowledge.

And interact within the medical community without losing, I guess income and still having some better hours. 

[00:05:39] Bryan Carroll: So, being in the pharmaceutical industry, can you tell us what is kind of the, the nuances with being in that industry? What's the day-to-day operations and what are some things you would love to see changed 

[00:05:51] Troy Duell: it?

That's a great question. I think day-to-day, it depends on what parts you're in. If you're in, in the sales world, I think we all have this vision of these pharmaceutical reps get into a doctor's office and they're just in the back, paling around and spending 30 to 45 minutes with them and doing all kinds of things.

But the reality is, most of the time your, your interaction with a doctor is about 30 to 45 seconds. So it's not a huge amount of time if you're in the sales world. Then if you're on the inside and you're doing training and educating and trying to build other products, then you're doing a lot of research to try to figure out what disease states you can go after and things like that.

So in, in my realm, we're kind of a hybrid company where we've gotten into supplements and we do. Pharmaceuticals we're trying to figure out, and my passion is really finding things that, what can we do that, you know, pharmaceuticals has a role, but I think too often it's used as a lifestyle instead of a crutch.

So what I mean by that is, We'll take blood pressure medications to help get our blood pressure down, but instead of changing our lifestyle and getting healthy, we want to stay on that blood pressure medication forever because it's easy. So I. We need to change our mindset with medicines and use them for a crutch for a short time until we get our lifestyle right, that our bodies can cope and deal with it.

And that's what I would love to see changed within the pharmaceutical realm because, you know, no pharmaceutical comes in and changes the makeup of who you are currently. Now it will only speed up a process that your body already does. Slow down a process that your body already does or stop it altogether, and if instead you do something that comes alongside it, like your diet and exercise and making sure that you're taking care of yourself and we're much more proactive with our health, then I think it can walk alongside to really help us instead of just making it the easy button.

[00:08:09] Bryan Carroll: Do you know what the average number of medications an American typically takes every single day? Is there a number like that that's readily available? 

[00:08:18] Troy Duell: There are some numbers out there. Most of them you'll find that it's over the age of 60. I think. The average American takes five to seven medications a day.

So, and a lot of those are the, the statins for cholesterol blood pressure medications. And then in any other cardiovascular type related products, you also have diabetes. I'm from the south, so diabetes is a huge issue here in the south because we just don't have a great diet. So most of the things I'd say, I don't, I don't know the exact number, but I want to say it's in the 60 to 70% of the medications that we take are things that if we just changed our lifestyle, we could.

Eliminate a lot of them, or at least reduce the amount that we're taking. 

[00:09:09] Bryan Carroll: Interesting. How did we get to this point where we would rather take a pill to try to mitigate? How crappy we fu fuel instead of adjusting our lifestyle to not get into that situation in the first 

[00:09:22] Troy Duell: place. It's a great question. I, I guess we can go back and blame it on the microwave because it's so easy to get food now.

You just press a button for one minute and you have your food. Or, or the sitcom where in 30 minutes our lives are, are back to normal. We've laughed. We've gone from crying to laughing, to figuring everything out in 30 minutes. So I, I just think part of it is just our culture where we've, we've said, you know, we want something easy.

We want something fast, and if there's any effort or it's really hard. We typically just go, Hey, I don't, don't want to do that. Or if it takes more than 30 minutes a day, or just some discipline to do things. And unfortunately, I think we've just lost some of that passion to, to be self-sufficient and build some of that in ourselves.

And we don't have the patience anymore. Cell phones and iPhones and everything else that we have. We get everything instant now, and I think we think our health should be the same way. 

[00:10:24] Bryan Carroll: Yeah, that's a fantastic point. And you know, with the, the health crisis that we had over the last couple years, I thought that would be the perfect kickoff point for people to recognize the things that they do in their life can put them at more risk for different health complications.

And it seems like it did the exact opposite cuz most people stopped moving. People, you know, when you're stressed out and stuff, you just start consuming a lot of food, drinking a lot of alcohol, taking a lot of substance abuse, et cetera. And I, I thought the last number I saw was like the average weight gain in that first year of Covid was over 40 pounds for Americans, which is the wrong direction you wanna be going during a health crisis.

So it, it's, it's sad. Definitely. That's a way we're trending. 

[00:11:10] Troy Duell: Totally agree. And you know, it's interesting you said that. I don't know if you've seen this stat, but 95% of those people who died from Covid during the Covid crisis had at least one comorbidity, and on average they had four comorbidities.

So 95% of people who died from it probably could have helped themselves by having a lifestyle that was filled with exercise, a good diet. And if you do those kinds of things, you are much less likely to be affected by a disease, whether it's. COVID or the flu, or even just a cold for that matter. 

[00:11:46] Bryan Carroll: Yep.

And that was one of the things I was really disappointed in is a lot of the media and stuff that you see, they try to stay away from talking about the comorbidities. And that's important information. And knowledge is power. And if you can recognize that what it is that you're doing in your own life can make you more susceptible to disease or less, then hopefully you can make that choice to make the necessary changes if you want to.

Be in a healthier state. 

[00:12:16] Troy Duell: Absolutely. And, and I think if you talk to anybody who had some type of, whether they were obese or they had high blood pressure or cholesterol issues and they went into and they took control of their own health and they had the right diet and they exercised and they saw those things come down over time without the use of medication.

Those people are tenfold more excited about their health and they're proud of what they've done, and it is a, an accomplishment and an achievement that they should be proud of, but we as a society don't look at it that way. Instead, we again, want to take the the easy way out. So 

[00:12:57] Bryan Carroll: let's say someone decides that they do wanna make changes.

They're on, you know, seven medications and they decide to start getting healthier, et cetera. It's probably not ideal for them to just drop their medications and go cold Turkey. So what are some good steps that people can take to start making that transition and how do they know when it is time to start backing off on some of their medications?

[00:13:22] Troy Duell: I think obviously anytime you start down that path, staying alongside your doctor, making sure that he's up to speed with what you're doing, and then as you see that improvement, then naturally you can begin to push the the question with them and say, Hey, I've started my diet, I've started my exercise, and we're beginning to make those changes.

And at what point can I begin to lower these medications? And most doctors will look for opportunities to do that. If they're not, then I would highly recommend finding another doctor, because you want a doctor who is about trying to get you as healthy as possible and you know, to, to kind of answer your question of what do they need to do.

I, I don't think we need to do anything that's super hard. But we just need to be intentional about some things, you know? What I always like to say is when you go out to lunch and you get that hamburger, you get something else. Get a side salad instead of those french fries. And that's just one baby step to get you into the discipline and the habit of getting the good nutrition that you need.

You know, if you're in an office building or you're at a department store, Start taking the stairs instead of taking an escalator or an elevator. And that's a great way to start incorporating just your daily life ways to get healthy and start moving again. 

[00:14:49] Bryan Carroll: Is there incentives in place between pharmaceutical companies and doctors that would kind of be a conflict for doctors to want to take people off medication?

[00:15:00] Troy Duell: That's a great question. I know that there are incentives in. Ways along the lines of vaccination status. So pediatricians oftentimes are incentivized to make sure that certain vaccines are done and they get them on board with that. There are insurance companies that will come in and bonus people based on what products they've done, but it until the last couple of years.

I will say, you know, I think Covid kind of blew up our whole medical establishment, but and took away the right of a lot of these doctors to practice medicine. It was a, a crazy time, but up until that point, most doctors would do what was best for their patient. You know, there may be a handful that that wouldn't but they would do what, what was best for 'em.

But I can give you a great example of an interaction I had with a doctor. That I think is telling among some of the physicians that are out there. I was early on in my career, but it was a huge, huge impact on my life cuz I walk in and it's a doctor who I'd seen a couple of times didn't have a real relationship with him, but was talking to him and he was eating donuts and some other.

Cookies or something like that. And we got into a nutrition discussion and it was, you know, wouldn't it be great to eat healthy and really encourage that in your patients, somewhere along those lines? And he said, no, I'm not concerned about that at all because I've got this new cholesterol medication that I'll take and it will wipe out any cholesterol increase that I'll have and I'll do the same for my patients.

So when you have that mindset, Within your physicians. I think that's what happens more than the mindset of, you know, I'm getting bonused by some insurance company or something else. I think it's just that quick fix mentality and, you know, we'll, we'll get it done. 

[00:17:01] Bryan Carroll: Yeah. I think taking a look at the health of your physician is a great first step to see if it's someone that you wanna work with.

[00:17:09] Troy Duell: Totally, totally agree. And if you see 'em out back smoking but when you're pulling up or something like that, find another doctor because they clearly don't care enough about their own health to, to do the right thing. So why would they care about 

[00:17:22] Bryan Carroll: yours? Yeah. Yeah. I'm not gonna take heart related advice from a physician that's 350 pounds.

[00:17:31] Troy Duell: No, no, we shouldn't Uhuh. But oftentimes we do just because they say it says doctor. So unfortunately that's where we are. 

[00:17:41] Bryan Carroll: Now there's, there's an interesting line between what's considered a pharmaceutical versus a supplement, and can you tell us what that line is? What makes something a supplement and what makes it a medication?

[00:17:53] Troy Duell: Medications typically go through anywhere from 10 to 20 years of research and studies and things like that. Now, They can't happen naturally. So they're not in nature by themselves. They have to be extracted somehow. They've gotta be tweaked, they've gotta be pasteurized. Some type of process to make it less natural that you can't get through your normal dietary needs or that you may have trouble finding in your dietary needs.

So there's even a group of products called medical foods that fall in line. So if. Say you can't get a certain ingredient or certain nutrient, then you could fall in line with a medical food, which is prescription. And it's kind of a step up from the supplement world even. But supplements are not gonna be quite as regulated which is both good and bad because it keeps the cost down.

And they're typically gonna be found in your herbals, your vitamins. Anything else that you can find in nature or possibly get through your diet itself. 

[00:19:01] Bryan Carroll: And what about like patents and all that stuff? So is there any supplements that are basically the same as typical pharmaceuticals, but the only difference is like they extract that ingredient out of it and make it more potent and then throw a patent on it.

There 

[00:19:18] Troy Duell: can be, I think probably the, the best example. There are some omega three s that have gotten. Patents to them that are prescription level patents. And with those, I think it, they're, what I've heard is it goes into the Pasteur pasteurization process and kind of this refining thing. I, I don't know exactly what.

Made them, the FDA come in and say, here's the biggest difference between what you're getting with this and, and what you get over the counter. I think part of it is just the amount that they get. You know, folic acid is another one that if it's one milligram or more with folic acid, that's considered a prescription.

If it's less than that, then it's not, and it has to do with the fact that. Folic acid because that was synthetic. It's not something found in nature. They, they created that in a lab and it blocks pernicious anemia or it can allow people to think that they don't have a B12 deficiency, so they have to go in and test individuals if they're over if they're taking over one milligram of folic acid.

So that's where that comes from. So those are the two best examples I 

[00:20:34] Bryan Carroll: could think of. Tell us a little bit more about folic acid. Is folic acid itself the best way to get like B12 and stuff into your system, or is there a better way to enhance 

[00:20:45] Troy Duell: that? I would say there, what most people don't know, and I, I certainly didn't know until I dove into this a little bit more.

There are three types of folic acid or folate. So one of those types of folate is folic acid. Another type is methyl folate, and the third is folic. So folic acid and methyl folate are found in nature, so you get that through your leafy greens, your vegetables, and it's natural. The folic acid is what they formed in the lab in 1943.

You'll see that on the back of every cereal box. You'll see it on your breads. You'll see it in your pastas. You'll see it all over the place. So in 1996, our government came in in an effort to reduce neural tube defects in pregnant women. They decided, which was at the time, less than one in a thousand, I think, something like that.

One in 10,000. And they decided at the time they would supplement all of our foods with folic acid. What they didn't take into consideration is there's always a downside to doing something like that. In this case, they've seen an increase in certain cancers like colon cancer and breast cancer. They've seen an increase in food allergies.

So when I was growing up, it was unheard of in a class of 35 to have somebody with any allergies. Now it's almost unheard of to have a class of 35 without 10 allergies in the class, and they've, there are a lot of studies. There was one that came out, I guess it was 2019. From the American Association of Asthma and Immunologists, so it's Quad AI group that showed that folic acid actually increases this incidence of allergies in kids.

So we want to try to reduce that intake by going with more natural forms and thankfully, since those things has hap have happened in the last 10 years. They found ways to mimic nature with methyl folate and folic acid that they can make in a lab. But it is more like the natural form, and that's what you want to be taking if you're supplementing it all.

Obviously the best way is to eat more lettuce, eat more greens, and get your fruits and vegetables. So that's the best way to get the folate into your, into your system. 

[00:23:14] Bryan Carroll: Interesting. So if someone that consumes a lot of Junk food, for example, that has folic acid in it. If they went and they got a B12 test, or are they going to test high on the b12 or are they gonna test low?

Typically, they'll 

[00:23:29] Troy Duell: probably, and, and B12 is gonna be a little different. So the B12 is gonna be coming from the. Your meats and your protein type substances. So that's where you're gonna get a lot of your b12. What we have seen recently is that individuals who are vegans have lower B12 levels. So that's something that a vegan really needs to be looking at and watching over.

So they don't get to the point of being B12 deficient. Now, if they're taking a lot of folic acid and it's through their. Pastas, cereals, any grains, bread, anything like that. What you'll find is they typically supplement with Cino Cobain, which is a, a synthetic form of B12 as well. So it should boost that B12 level unless they have some kind of condition, which was kind of the second part of the folate piece called M T H F R M T H.

FFR is a genetic. Morph polymorphism. So it's a genetic defect that deals with that enzyme that creates or allows your body to process folate. So if you have this defect and they say about 40 to 60% of people do, then you can't process the folate at all. Or you can't process folic acid, so you need to be taking in and ensuring that you are taking methyl folate and folic acid so your body can process it.

And they've linked M T H FFR to increased infertility rates. They've linked it to increased rates with cardiovascular events, all kinds of things when it comes to, to M T H F R. So certainly something to get checked out if you're having some health issues. 

[00:25:16] Bryan Carroll: Now, has M T H F R been around for a long time, or is it becoming more and more prevalent?

[00:25:22] Troy Duell: M T H F R itself has been around for a long time, but it hasn't ever really been an issue till probably in the science in the last 20 to 25 years has really caught up. And been working on M T H F R, but prior to the last 30 years, we were getting a lot more fruits and vegetables, lettuce, other things that now we're all into the processed foods.

We're into the fast food. So we're not getting as much of those nutrients that maybe we once were, because again, we've gone to the fast food mentality or the, the get it right away mentality and. Vegetables typically don't have that, but it's always been there. It just hasn't always expressed itself quite as much as it has now.

And folic acid. Kind of another stopping point on that is folic acid actually increases the effects cuz it, they talk about how it just floats around in your bloodstream and competes with good folate to cause even more issues in your body. 

[00:26:27] Bryan Carroll: Interesting. So it seems like in, we'll say probably the last a hundred years or so our in our way of modernizing the way that we consume food, our lifestyles, all that type of stuff, the way that it's changing, it's really starting to highlight some of the inadequacies in our.

Health systems within our own body. It's highlighting gene mutations, it's showing the breakdown of just different systems that cause disease. And so we're, we're, it seems like we're advancing much faster than the body can adapt. So at what point, what point does the entire system, our health system start breaking down and we can't?

Function anymore. Oh, like our jeans just fall apart. Everything falls apart. 

[00:27:17] Troy Duell: I great question. I don't see that happening, cuz my hope is as kind of your, your testimony is you were not doing well and then you from a health standpoint, but then you started taking ownership of your health. And I think as we continue this process, I think Covid was an, an eye-opening experience for a lot of people to begin to take ownership, greater ownership of their health.

Because, I mean, it's, it's the first time in history where, People would go to the ER or they'd go to a doctor and they'd say, no, go home. We don't want to treat you. Wait until you get so bad that you need to come back. So what did that naturally do for all of us? It made us look for ways to go, okay, how can I get better?

What are ways that I can do for myself that I, that they're not helping us with? So my hope is it's actually going to, to help us take ownership of our health and I to see a, a resurgence of that, if you will. And, and I think what we've seen with fitness and this increased desire to, to eat healthy I think all of that will come into play and, and hopefully, Keep us from going down that path a as, as long as we're open and honest with the dialogue about what's going on and you don't have a, a repression of, of information or anything else, I think we'll be fine from that standpoint personally.

[00:28:49] Bryan Carroll: Yeah, I, I hope that's true. I hope people start waking up to some stuff and ma making changes and recognizing that our bodies and our lives are not in an Amazon prime situation where it can get fixed in two days. You can't just ship out a new body in Absolutely. In two days. So briefly, I would love to hear from you just a couple different ways people can enhance their immune systems especially going into.

You know, the new season here and being more exposed to different colds, flus, et cetera. So can you give us a couple quick tips on how to boost the immune system? 

[00:29:24] Troy Duell: Yeah, and I, I think all the tips are easy, but they're hard, meaning they take some discipline. So it starts with the things that we've always heard.

Exercise and diet are key. So if you've got a strong foundation where your body is healthy, There are plenty of studies out there that show exercise increases our immune health by releasing endorphins and other neurotransmitters that our body needs to help build the cellular structure to fight off disease, diet, making sure that we're getting the right nutrients in our diet that we're going with lettuces vegetables, fruits, everything.

Our mom always told us that we needed to eat. It was true. We need to eat and we need to do a well-balanced diet of it. Reduce a lot of the processed foods so our body can deal with the things that need to happen. And then understand that there are some things that we probably need to supplement with.

So find a good supplement that has the immune health properties that you're looking for. You know, I, I know that you guys have some great immune health products. We have a couple of immune health products. It doesn't matter what it is. I mean, as, as long as there's some science to back it up but.

You need to be disciplined to take it and to do those things. And if you do that, I think it's key for our immune health. You know, for me, the research that I've done, a lot of the, the flavonoids like quercetin and Ludi Olin are great options for you. Of course your vitamin C, your vitamin D intake, which we've learned during covid, the importance of vitamin D and how it helps our immune health.

So jumping into those things and, and of course zinc, which has been around for years, but all those things I think are huge. Things that you need to look at your diet and see if you're getting enough. If not, then find some way to supplement that into your diet. 

[00:31:16] Bryan Carroll: Awesome. And tell us a little bit more about your own immune boosting products, cuz you have provided a generous code of Summit for 67% off of some of them.

So let's learn a little bit more what's in your 

[00:31:28] Troy Duell: products. Yeah, so we've got two different immune boosting products. One that is basically for a daytime immune health that has the the quercetin in it. It has vitamin C, vitamin D, zinc, and copper, because we know that if you're taking zinc. You need some copper because zinc will deplete your copper levels and that can create a kind of a rebound effect and cause your immune health to go down.

So all those ingredients were kind of researched during covid and flu and everything else to help increase people's immune health so that they could help assist their body to fight that off. And then we have another product called Defender pm. That has melatonin in it, which as we all know or have heard, there is some sleep positive benefits from that or sleep benefits.

But what most of us don't know, and what I didn't know until I jumped into the research on it, is melatonin is produced 5% by your penal gland, which is the gland that helps you with sleep, but is 95% in your mitochondria, which is where a lot of the disease fighting portions of your immune health come from.

So that's the, the basis there with Ludi Olan. It also has vitamin cd and zinc in that as well. So two great products good options if somebody wanted to, to look at those. And 

[00:32:51] Bryan Carroll: that can be [email protected]. You're also on Facebook and Twitter as well at the, the Centurion way. And my final question for you is, what is it that you do every single day to keep yourself healthy?

[00:33:07] Troy Duell: Great question and appreciate the question cuz it, it's something that challenges me to make sure that I'm doing and I, I think one is to move and make sure that I'm exercising every day, or at least for me I try to exercise four days a week and then on those days that I don't, I'm at least doing a walk.

And then when I have the opportunity, I take, as I mentioned earlier, I take the stairs instead of an elevator escalator. Two reasons. One, it's healthy because I'm getting in the action, but sick people typically don't take stairs, so you, you stay less sick that way as well. So that's the added benefit.

And then on my, on my diet, trying to really have a healthy, clean diet as much as possible. I do have a cheat day each week, so I can say, Hey, I'm not gonna have it today, but I'm gonna push it to Saturday is typically when I do it. And that way I'm eating healthy throughout the week. When I go out to eat, I really try to focus on getting a salad and doing those little things instead of fries or, or something else.

Unless it's i'll, I'll be honest, there are times if I go to a restaurant and they say, this is our specialty, and say I was visiting you up in Washington State and it was a great restaurant that had a specialty, I may, I may cheat and try it then instead of getting the salad. But really try to focus on getting a salad, eating healthy at, at lunch and dinner and getting a good solid breakfast done as well.

And 

[00:34:35] Bryan Carroll: you know, the nice thing about putting a lot of effort into your. Lifestyle, your diet and all that type of stuff is you can do those little cheat meals here and there too, because you recognize that you're going to jump right back on the the wagon at your next meal. So it won't impact you as much as if you did it all the time.

So that's the, that's the nice part. And you would appreciate it a little bit more too when you do that little cheat. 

[00:35:02] Troy Duell: That's right. Absolutely. Absolutely. 

[00:35:06] Bryan Carroll: Well, Troy, I. Definitely enjoyed talking to you. I love this conversation. I love seeing the crossover between the pharmaceutical industry and more natural approaches.

Cuz you know, I, I do think we are at a point where we're gonna need both and we shouldn't poo poo one or the other. We should figure out how to mix and blend the two and find a healthy balance between them for people because, You know, the way that the world is progressing, it's progressing faster than we can adapt and we're gonna need help from both sides.

So thank you so much for coming onto the show, 

[00:35:41] Troy Duell: Bryan. Absolutely appreciate it. Appreciate what you do because I think the things you're doing are expanding that desire for people to take ownership of their help. So I appreciate 

[00:35:49] Bryan Carroll: that. That was a very fascinating conversation talking with Troy, and I love to learn more about the inner workings of these industries because you really can see just what's going on and finding different ways to stay in business.

And at the end of the day, when it comes to our health, we should. Be looking for second opinions and be looking out for ourselves because there are a lot of companies, a lot of people, a lot of products, et cetera out there that are trying to capitalize on people in weak positions and that is really not okay.

So if you do run into anything like that, Always make sure to get a second opinion or to chat with other professionals in the industry and see if they are seeing and experiencing the same thing by looking at you and your health goals and to figure out if what is recommended is actually right for you.

So don't forget, you can go over to centurion labs.com and you can use a Code Summit to get 67% off of Bump, D H a Defender Immunity Boost or Defender pm. So head on over there and support Troy and the work Troy is doing now. If you would like to support me while also supporting yourself, then go over and try out some electrolytes from Element.

L M N T is how you spell that. Drink element.com. I am an investor with Element because I really like their product and I use Element every single day. And if you go through my Link summit for wellness.com/lm NT and get yourself some electrolytes, then they send me some electrolytes so you can help me out with that because I am starting to run low on my raspberry element and I need to get another box of it.

So head on over to summit for wellness.com/element and try them out. All right, in the next episode I have Ashock Gupta onto the show. Let's go learn who he is and what we'll be talking about. Ashuk one is one unique thing about you that most people don't know, 

[00:37:55] Ashok Gupta: right? Well, I used to run a speed dating company many, many years ago when I was very young.

[00:38:02] Bryan Carroll: Wow. I Do those even exist anymore or is that just what the dating apps are now? 

[00:38:09] Ashok Gupta: Yeah. No speed. Dating's still going strong. 

[00:38:12] Bryan Carroll: That's amazing. And what will we be learning about in our interview together? Well, we'll 

[00:38:18] Ashok Gupta: be talking about neuroplasticity and brain retraining and how it's the new hot topic in medicine that many conditions, chronic conditions and illnesses that seem to linger are as a result of our own brain creating this type of response, this overprotective response.

And how can brain new training and neuroplasticity get us back to 

[00:38:37] Bryan Carroll: optimal health? What are your favorite foods or nutrients that you think everyone should get more of in their diet? 

[00:38:46] Ashok Gupta: So it sounds a bit boring, but just more fruits and vegetables, right? So the more variety we can have, the better. So I talk about eating the rainbow, eat the rainbow, and you'll be healthy.

[00:38:56] Bryan Carroll: And what are your top three health tips for anyone who wants to improve their overall wellness? 

[00:39:02] Ashok Gupta: So I think number one, Is meditate. You know, we've all heard about meditation. Most of us don't actually do it, but actually just investing 20 minutes of meditation a day has been shown to be the mo, the easiest way of improving your overall health outcome.

So that's my first one. Second one is exercise. We all know about exercise and activity, so just moving more 30 to 40 minutes a day. Get out there, move, walk, whatever you need to do. And thirdly, a big thing we neglect in life is sleep. Get your sleep, get a minimum of seven and a half hours sleep, get it deeper, and you'll feel the benefits 

[00:39:36] Bryan Carroll: of it.

Anytime I have someone coming onto the show to talk about the brain, it is always fascinating to learn just the new research and how moldable the brain can be in the Gupta program, which is what we will be talking about in that episode is actually really neat. He has sent it over to me to review and it is really cool the support that they're helping people with in their program.

So, until next time, keep climbing to the peak of your health.