184- Dieting and Women’s Self Esteem with Camille Martin

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Alright, coming on for today's podcast episode is Camille Martin, and we are going to be diving into dieting and how that impacts women's self-esteem. So Camille is a registered dietician, public health writer and a former chronic diet dedicated to helping women quit dieting, set bigger and better goals, and reclaim their excitement for life.

And after 25 years of dieting and failing, she quit dieting and began changing her habits little by little. Now she helps people focus on the way they eat as opposed to what they eat. So let's dive into my conversation with Camille. Thank you, Camille, for coming onto the. 

[00:03:51] Camille Martin: Thanks for having me, Bryan. I'm excited to be here

[00:03:54] Bryan Carroll: and I'm very excited to chat with you because as we all know, the majority of people have tried dieting at some point in their life.

The typical person has tried multiple diets and for some reason they're just not working, are they? So we're gonna dive into why that is and how that can impact self-esteem and other things with us. But before we do that, let's learn a little bit more about your background and what got you into all.

[00:04:19] Camille Martin: Okay, sure. I'm a registered dietician and I have been for about, gosh, 15 years. And I'm also a technical writer and editor for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. So this, what I'm doing with you here is sort of my side thing that I'm hoping to convert into a full-time thing. But how I got into this is that I dieted for almost 25 years of my.

Trying to diet off the same 10 pounds. And ultimately I just said, this is pointless. And it was demoralizing and depressing. And when I finally decided to quit, that's when everything turned around for me. And so I'm using what I've learned on that journey to help mostly women learn how to lose weight without dieting, and just by changing their habits and their thoughts.

[00:05:08] Bryan Carroll: Now you mentioned you tried multiple times to lose the exact same 10 pounds. Yeah. At some point, do you ever wonder if your body just naturally wants to have those extra 10 pounds, or is it more something that you just wanna get rid of? 

[00:05:25] Camille Martin: Well for me it wasn't necessarily a set point kind of thing.

It was more a psychological you know, the pressure. I usually talk about women, so I'm not trying to exclude men in this conversation, but. It's mostly women who feel such pressure to look perfect, and so like an extra 10 pounds is really not it. It's not a big deal at all health-wise, but I felt compelled to get rid of it and the negative psychological component of dieting it, it kept me stuck.

In this negative feedback loop where I would try to use willpower, cut out everything, stop eating, take diet pills, all this crazy stuff. And then when I finally, you know, gave up and I had no more willpower, I ate everything and gained all the weight back. So I'm an emotional eater also. I've learned how to manage it.

But for me, that's what it was. It wasn't that my body wanted to stay at a certain weight, I was just trying to get rid of it, and it kept coming back because of my psychology. 

[00:06:27] Bryan Carroll: So it seems like a lot of people have a goal weight in mind and that sometimes maybe your physician will give you a goal weight to get you in certain like BMI type categories for other people.

Mm-hmm. , it might be a weight that they were at when they were in high school or something similar. Right. Why is it that we always seem to try to reach a weight or a goal that we had when we were. You know, young and active and had the best metabolisms in the world and all sorts of. 

[00:06:57] Camille Martin: Well, in my opinion, it's because we have such an extreme focus on appearance and on beauty and youth.

And so we're associating that version of ourselves way back when as the ideal. And that's not realistic because not only does your, it's, it's not that your body changes over time and you get less and less healthy as the years go by, but you do change and your life changes and. Circumstances change and no one's factoring any of that in.

And again, it's just, to me, the extreme just unrelenting focus on, you know, we all have to look perfect. We all have to have a six pack. It, it's bullshit. I mean, it just makes me angry. But but yeah, BMI and all of that, those are tools to. Physicians and clinicians get you into a certain zone so that you're at less, you're less likely to be at risk for certain diseases and things.

But to me, it's the disease of the mind is what needs to be eradicated, you know? . 

[00:07:56] Bryan Carroll: Yeah. And it's kind of interesting BMI isn't the most perfect system either cuz you can be a certain height with a lot of muscle mass and that muscle weighs a lot because it's stents and you could be considered overweight or obese even though you're not.

Exactly. So it's, it's definitely interesting, yeah. How there's always stuff outside of the normal parameters that don't fit into these. Assumptions. 

[00:08:20] Camille Martin: Yeah. We're not categories we're people and it's, yeah, exactly. 

[00:08:24] Bryan Carroll: I don't like labeling . Now, since the majority of people have tried a diet of some sort, why is it that people can't really stay with it?

Like you mentioned you would reach a breaking point and then fall back to old habits. Why didn't the new habits. . 

[00:08:42] Camille Martin: Well, okay, so first of all, there's two pieces to that. When you're dieting, you're not focused on your habits. You're trying to make like tons of huge changes all at the same time and in a compressed amount of time, rather than making small, steady changes over time, which is what leads to sticking with it and habits actually changing.

So what happens? When you go on these diets, you change every single thing that you do. You do it for two weeks, you try to lose 10 pounds in two weeks, and you might be successful and then you go right back to what you were doing before the diet. So and the second piece of that, which you asked, I think was why are we not successful at changing the habits?

Is because we're not, we're not actually doing that when we diet. Dieting is just a drastic change of the menu. And that's it. Like, your life is different from my life. My, you know, mom's life is different. It's all a one size fits all menu. That's also loaded with all of this other, you know, desperation, mindset stuff.

That, that is what backfires. But yeah, we're not changing our habits and the only way to change a habit is to. Small incremental changes over time until you get those changes down, and then ultimately you can convert a bad habit into a good habit as opposed to taking a bad habit and trying to drop it and then just pick up a good habit in its place that just doesn't, it doesn't work over time.

[00:10:05] Bryan Carroll: It seems like in the dieting culture, that there's a lot of unrealistic expectations. Like when I go to the grocery store and I'm standing there and looking at the magazines, and it's like how I lost 18 pounds in seven days and all this type of stuff. So people expect if they go on a diet, they're gonna lose a hundred pounds in a month.

You know? 

[00:10:26] Camille Martin: Yeah, yeah. Well, and it, it makes you feel like crap about yourself cuz like, oh, this guy did it, but I can't stick with it. And that just pushes you to eat emotionally or binge eat or whatever you're doing that's, you know, causing you to have the excess weight in 

[00:10:39] Bryan Carroll: the first place. Yeah. Yeah. So it, it really just backfires.

It makes it even worse. So yes, if we know that doing small incremental habit changes is going to create longer lasting impact, How do we break down the goal that we want to get to, and then creating smaller goals to reach that ultimate. 

[00:10:59] Camille Martin: Well, to me there is really no end goal. I never tell people that your, your goal is to lose weight.

So that's, that should never be a goal, in my opinion, because weight is a symptom. It's a side effect of things that are going on inside of you, and it's gonna keep showing up until you change. What's going on inside. That's why all of us trying to perfect ourselves from the outside in never works. It might work in the short term, but in the long term it does not.

So what you wanna focus on, it's great to have external goals and I have my own external goals, but you wanna attach the right mindset to those goals. So, for example, people ask me all the time, are you a fan of intermittent fasting? And I always say yes and no. Yes. If you're using intermittent fasting as a way to train your body to recognize what true hunger is, that's a different.

But if you're using intermittent fasting to just, you know, cut calories and lose weight quickly, that's a, to me, the wrong mindset. So it all depends on how you're thinking. So yeah, I don't know if I answered your question, . I apologize if I did 'em, but goals are great, but it's gotta be for the right reason that you're setting the 

[00:12:12] Bryan Carroll: goal.

So when you're working with someone, cuz I'm sure a lot of people that are coming in with the weight goal in mind, I'm coming in and I wanna lose 10 pounds. So when they say that to you, how do you dig deeper and try to figure out more of the root? Something that they can actually Yeah. Use. To work on their own health and their goals instead of just the weight.

Just the weight, 

[00:12:35] Camille Martin: yeah. Well, so most of the people that I work with are women who eat emotionally, and so I explain to them that the weight is there and it's gonna keep showing up. Like I said, until you get to the root, the. The weight is a side effect, and the problem is the way that you eat. It's the way that you're using food.

And so if you're using food to self-medicate, you've gotta get to, you always wanna get to the root of the problem. Weight is never the problem, it's just a side effect, a symptom. So I tell people, if you're eating emotionally and that's what's going on, you need to get to the source of that. You need to go way back.

I see people's eyes glaze over, like, I don't wanna get out journal, and I don't want to sit here for, for a whole day and like, you know, rehash my whole life story. But you really do have to go back and think about why you started eating in a disordered way. And the reason that's important is so you can let go of the.

In the way that you eat because so many people binge eat or you know, I cheated, I failed. I'm such a loser. I'm, you know, I have no willpower. What's wrong with me? And I did this for years, by the way. So when you get to the reason why you're eating the way you eat, . Then you can allow yourself to see it objectively and let go of the shame and say, okay, well, I mean I did this, I trained myself to do it.

I can train myself to eat a different way. And then that's when you can start gathering information almost like a, a detective. It's like, . Oh, when I eat, you know, a carton of Ben and Jerry's, that makes me feel like crap. So next time when I pick it up, I can eat it if I want to, but I know how it's gonna make me feel.

So then you start to, you get information and you're not shaming yourself and judging yourself. So that's what I tell people is you wanna get to the real problem and get to the source of that and fix it 

[00:14:21] Bryan Carroll: on that end. Yeah, it's, it's definitely interesting cause it seems like everybody has a trigger of some.

And they don't even recognize it unless they start doing some of this internal stuff. So this is a little bit different than food, but kind of similar. There's a lot of history of addiction in my family tree and I know that, and I recognize that. I know that's a problem with a lot of people in my family.

So when it comes to like stressful events or anything like that, I'm not, I actively stay away from alcohol because I know. With my family tree, there's a history of addiction and staying away from something that has addictive properties, I'm not gonna turn to that every time I run into a stressful situation.

So just avoid it completely right and figure out other ways of dealing with that stress that isn't going to turn into some sort of addiction down the road. 

[00:15:14] Camille Martin: That's amazing that you do that. I quit drinking two years ago. I occasionally have a glass of wine, but I, for the most part just completely cut it out and it, it changed everything.

So Good for 

[00:15:25] Bryan Carroll: you. That's awesome. Yeah. And that, that made me think about too, like the reports coming out in the last couple years with Covid and people being at home. The majority of people have gained a decent amount of weight, and a lot of that is your life has just been turned upside down. A lot of people were at home.

You have easier access to the fridge and all that type of stuff. Your entire routine changed. You have stress. Yeah. Everything just happened against you. So now that we're. Hopefully coming out the other side of this now seems to be a really good time to reestablish some new habits, figure out what those triggers are start recognizing you know, what leads you to the kitchen to start grabbing food and how to start breaking down those, the goals into smaller little habit changes like you mentioned.

So, perfect, 

[00:16:14] Camille Martin: perfect timing. Definitely for that. Yeah, COVID threw a monkey wrench into everyone's life in every way. So, and then on that note, like I want anyone who's listening to this who is feeling, you know, like, oh my God, I gained all this weight and it's covid. , just give yourself a break. That's really the first step in changing anything is just to say like, it's okay.

You know, you gain weight. It's not a big deal. It's not the end of the world, you know? I mean, like, you're not a bad person. You didn't do anything wrong, and you can take steps to change it. We make it so like mentally. So much harder because of the shaming. And I think that's what is the first part that needs to be changed in order for you to make permanent changes.

[00:17:01] Bryan Carroll: Yeah. And recognize every day is a new day. So yeah, yesterday might not have been perfect, but today's a great day to try again. 

[00:17:08] Camille Martin: Absolutely. I love that. Yeah. 

[00:17:12] Bryan Carroll: So I know people always wanna know how to break down habits cuz. They wanna make those changes and they wanna make it last. So could you give us some examples of how to really break down stuff into actionable steps so that they could be more successful?

Just give people ideas on what that looks like. 

[00:17:29] Camille Martin: Sure. Yeah. How I train people to make changes to their habits is you take. Make a list of like three to five habits that are really interfering with your health and order them in order from easiest to change to hardest, and start with the easiest one.

Your goal is to get small wins, but you take a bad habit and then make a list of like, I mean, 10 or 15 things, little tiny changes you could make to that habit that would start the process of altering. And even if they're like the tiniest like seemingly insignificant changes that you could make, write 'em down anyway and then pick one or two of those and start this week making those changes.

So for example, if to use the ice cream example, and I like that one because that was one of my bad habits, is to sit down in front of the TV at the end of the day. Open up some, it was vegan ice cream, but whatever. It doesn't matter if you eat the whole damn thing, it's, yeah, it's not healthy . But, so I would sit there and like be like, you know what the hell just happened?

The whole thing's gone now. So what I did was I started making small changes to that. Instead of saying, I'm not gonna do this anymore, and that doesn't work, and then you pick it back up and then you're like, I'm a loser. So making tiny changes such as like put it in a bowl. It's stuff we've all heard, but like put it in a bowl instead of the container.

Or use the container if that's too hard of a change, and take a tiny little spoon and take tiny little bites. Or eat a handful of blueberries before you even sit down or take your ice cream and go sit outside and eat it like you normally do, but at least you're being. You know, and you can see like actually how you feel while you're like binging on this ice cream.

All of these little changes, if you start adding one after another, it starts to, really, what you're doing is you're changing your brain. It's, it's. Saying to yourself, first of all, I'm taking action. I'm taking positive action, I'm making a positive step. And every time you're successful at making one of those changes, you get a small win.

You build your confidence and you start to see that like, you know it's possible to make changes to these bad habits. And then ultimately it can become a good habit. Like you sit in front of the TV and you're having fruit and you feel so. Hey, and maybe you stop watching like documentaries about serial killers and you can actually watch some , something that's inspiring.

That's what that was my little pattern. But yeah, so you just take one small change after the next and eventually, and you know, if it's. Too hard of a habit for you to change. Maybe, you know what? Maybe you are killing it all day long and you feel healthy and strong, and if you wanna sit in front of the couch and turn on a crime documentary and have some ice cream, then go for it.

You know, we don't need to be perfectly healthy all the time. But yeah, that's just one example of what you could do. 

[00:20:17] Bryan Carroll: I don't know what it is about those murder mysteries, but they are very captivating . 

[00:20:22] Camille Martin: I know. It's so awful. It's like you're riveted and then you're like, why do I feel so bad after I've watched that?

You 

[00:20:28] Bryan Carroll: know? Yep. You see the first they are minute and then all of a sudden you're sitting on the couch going, I'm invested now. Yeah. 

[00:20:36] Camille Martin: Yeah. You can't tear yourself away from it, but yeah, so, but they're addictive 

[00:20:42] Bryan Carroll: now. The situations I hear about all the time is you might have a family and we'll say the woman is going on a diet.

She's decided that she wants to do something with a diet. So she's going on a diet and she really wants to be all in on it, really focused. But you got your kids, you got your husband, and they don't wanna be any part of that diet. So your environment isn't really conducive to helping you out. Right. How do you.

Make your environment not so stressful in a way that it's going to pull you out of trying to make these habit changes and dietary changes and all that type of stuff. 

[00:21:22] Camille Martin: Yes. That's such a good question. Well, so first of all, I would encourage anyone who is listening to this don't try to diet. You know, it doesn't work anyway.

So if your intent, assuming you're gonna not try to go on a diet and like, so that's one reason it doesn't work. You're trying to make all this, you know, I've gotta have this meal with you. Cilantro and a lime and chickpeas and this and that, and the special dressing. I mean, it's overwhelming already.

You're done. So forget about the diet. And if you have a family, I have a family. I have two teenage daughters. I'm divorced, so I'm a single mom. And so, yeah, I mean, it's chaotic and they, they come in here in my kitchen. You can see it back here. I cleaned it up for the podcast, but it usually looks like a bomb went off.

But it's just life. So I would just, that's why changing one habit at a time works, but also key. If you are trying to change your habits and your family's not on board with it, that is when you must take time for yourself and don't feel guilty about it at all. You can take, you absolutely can find one hour in your day, whether it's you get up an hour early or you put the kids to bed and then you say, I'm going over here and I'm gonna read a.

I mean, you gotta take time for yourself. And the more you send yourself the message that I care about myself and that I matter and that my health matters, and I'm gonna put it as a priority, things start to naturally change. So yeah, everyone in your family doesn't have to be on board with it, but you're gonna show up better for your family the more you really make yourself a priority.

So many women, it just, it's tragic. Like they make themselves, not even, are they not a priority? They are just, They're forgotten. It's almost like we don't even see ourselves, and that happened to me. I was married for 17 years and just lost myself completely. But yeah, just take it day by day. Don't beat yourself up, but make time for yourself and just work on one habit at a time.

[00:23:18] Bryan Carroll: Do you ever hear of any family members or anything that try to sabotage? Someone's habit changes or anything like that? 

[00:23:26] Camille Martin: I've read about that. I've not actually had anybody personally tell me that. But what I would say if that's what's happening and your significant other is like actively trying to make you not be the best that you can be.

It might be time to rethink that relationship. Yeah. Unfortunately . 

[00:23:43] Bryan Carroll: Yeah, it's supposed to be a team, team effort, not a tear the other person down type of effort. 

[00:23:50] Camille Martin: Do what she can to, you know, leave out some motivational reading for your spouse or whatever. That's a tough one. You don't, I don't wanna be so like black and white.

You don't want, just wanna like pull the rip cord on your marriage or maybe you do, but yeah, you deserve. If someone's trying to, you know, keep you from being the best that you can be, that's not okay. Yeah. 

[00:24:12] Bryan Carroll: Is there ways to make your kitchen the kitchen environment better so that you are more successful as well?

[00:24:19] Camille Martin: Absolutely. And I think I tell women all this all the time. I tell them this, that I bet you if I walked into your kitchen, I would easily be able to tell why you haven't been able to lose weight. Because your environment pushes you to do everything that you're doing all day long. You just don't realize that it's doing that.

Good and bad. You know, there are some good things about your environment, but your kitchen especially, you've gotta get it under control and we. We don't realize like how pitifully set up we are to actually make a healthy meal. Like we don't have the right equipment. Our cabinets are shoved full of stuff that we don't even use.

Expired stuff, and it's just the little things of like cleaning out and getting yourself organized. And proactively getting the utensils and the ingredients that you need to make a healthy meal. It makes cooking fun. And if you're, I didn't like to cook, but you don't have to be a five star chef, but you do actually have to cook a little bit of the time if you wanna live a healthy lifestyle.

You can't order out all the time. You just can't. And be and reach your ideal physical state. So I actually created a guide It's free. It's called your Ultimate Weight Loss Kitchen, and it's on my website. If anyone listening is interested in getting it you can go to my website and if you stay on there for 30 seconds or so, it'll pop up in a little box, but you can also get it at.

Camille Martin rd.com/kitchen guide. Sorry, that's a little bit hard to remember, but Yeah. Head over there and you can just, it'll pop up. 

[00:25:53] Bryan Carroll: Eventually we'll have that in the resources for the, in the show notes as well @ summitforwellness.com/184. That way people don't have to remember the links. That'll keep it nice and simple there.

Awesome. Thank you. Well, Camille, is there any final things you wanna make sure that we know about when it comes to changing the dietary mindset, how to improve self-esteem and how to be successful with habit changes? 

[00:26:17] Camille Martin: Yes. I would say the one thing that you could do that you, it's like the umbrella. The thing that if you do this one thing, it'll cascade down and make all of those things easier, is to set a goal that has nothing to do with losing weight or what you look like.

Set an inspiring goal that challenges you, that brings you energy and an excitement, and start working toward that. And all of that will trickle down into every area of your life, including your health, and it'll just make it easier to make the right. 

[00:26:46] Bryan Carroll: Awesome. And my final question for you is, what is your vision of what healthy looks like and what are three things you do every day to reach that vision?

[00:26:55] Camille Martin: Healthy for me is me always working toward my full potential. And the three things that I do to, to try to make that happen are I get up early every morning. I'm a psycho, I get up at four, but it's because my kids are up by six to go somewhere and I have to have that time to get focused and read something to keep me on.

I get good sleep and I love to laugh. I think that's so important. It's it really is so good for your health and we have so much stress. So sleeping and laughing and I guess educating yourself, fueling your mind with inspiring things is important. 

[00:27:35] Bryan Carroll: I remember the days of waking up at four, but I don't miss those days.

Not at all. , 

[00:27:42] Camille Martin: what happened? Why did you have 

[00:27:43] Bryan Carroll: to get up at four? It was for work when I was younger. I would open at a gym and then so I'd have to be there at four and, yeah. Don't miss those days. Yeah, 

[00:27:54] Camille Martin: that's early. Well, I, I will say I go to bed at seven, so I make up for it. . 

[00:27:59] Bryan Carroll: Yep. Well, Camille, thank you so much for coming onto this show.

People can learn more about [email protected] You're also on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube. Thank you so much for sharing all this information. I hope people find a lot of success with trying to make dietary and habit changes. And like you said, avoid the word diet and just look. Health fold changes instead.

So thank you. 

[00:28:23] Camille Martin: Exactly. Thank you for having me on, Bryan. 

[00:28:26] Bryan Carroll: I loved it. I hope you were able to take away a couple nuggets from Camille and it is really sad how our society puts so much pressure on women and how they look and how they should diet, and it is a bummer that. So many of you have to go through that.

But hopefully talking to Camille, you can focus more on setting actual G goals that you want to achieve and not just achieve them for society. And if you wanna check out her book and her kitchen guide, then head on over to her website to learn more about those next week. Have Troy duel on the show.

Let's go learn who he is and what we'll be talking about. Troy, what is one unique thing about you that most people don't know? 

[00:29:07] Troy Duell: I think probably the most unique thing is I'm a farmer at heart. We live in the suburbs, but I have 12 chickens have a garden. Really try to grow it. And my goal is to have a little mini orchard of apples, pears, peaches, and figs as well to.

Keep things going. So that's my heart's desire. Would love to farm as even more and bring in some bees and goats eventually as well. But most people don't know that 

[00:29:32] Bryan Carroll: about me. Yeah, I think those little homesteads are pretty awesome. You can get. You know, you can supplement what it is that you buy at the store with some fresh stuff.

And chickens is a very easy way to get into it because they're very easy to take care of and they give you food back. Absolutely. And it's absolutely, it's kind of an endless apply of it, which is great. It is. Well, what will we be learning about in our interview together? 

[00:29:54] Troy Duell: Most of the things that I like to talk about is folate and what we don't necessarily know or what's wrong with folate today and the varieties that are there, and really just talking about how we can take ownership of our health and get better in order to not rely so much on the medications and medicines that are in 

[00:30:16] Bryan Carroll: the world.

And what are your favorite foods or nutrients that you think everyone should get more of in their diet? 

[00:30:21] Troy Duell: One of my favorite meals is a steak salad. So I love a good salad, but I also love some red meat. And I know it goes against a lot of what people are saying today, but the truth is, I don't think we're eating as much red meat as we probably need to anymore because we've been scared into not eating it.

And as long as it's organic and it's a lean red meat having it in moderation is a good thing. So I think it's something that we could. probably step up on, and certainly we all need more greens in our diet. 

[00:30:56] Bryan Carroll: What level do you like your steak cook to? 

[00:30:58] Troy Duell: I am a medium rare guy which can be a little, can be a little scary.

[00:31:04] Bryan Carroll: Yeah. Good. You're not one of those people that like it burnt . 

[00:31:08] Troy Duell: No, no. Don't like it. Burnt 

[00:31:10] Bryan Carroll: Waste of a good steak. Yeah. Amen. Well, what are your top three health tips for anyone who wants to improve their overall wellness? 

[00:31:16] Troy Duell: I think some of those things that I'll talk about is take the stairs instead of an elevator.

Take the side salad instead of the fries. And remember that resistance training is really one of the main keys to losing weight and getting in shape because muscle burns fat and burns more calories while you're sleeping. So building that muscle and having some resistance training in your exercise routine is key.

[00:31:44] Bryan Carroll: All right. I had a great conversation with Troy, and until next time, keep climbing to the peak of your.