163- Microdosing Plant Medicine: Safety and Legalities with Kayse Gehret

By Bryan Carroll CFMP, NTP, FAFS

November 4, 2021

As I am typing this out, the legalities around utilizing psychedelic plant medicines is changing all over the place. Since the last time I had someone on the show talking about psychedelics (about 1 year ago), there have been multiple states that are decriminalizing the use of psychedelics.

Using small doses of these plant medicines have been shown to be beneficial for mental health, and prestigious universities such as Harvard and John Hopkins are currently doing studies to see how effective it can be.

In this episode with Kayse Gehret, we discuss the current legalities around using these plant medicines, how they benefit mental health, and much more.

What To Expect From This Episode

  • What are plant medicines and what purpose do they provide
  • How to know correct dosing when using these products
  • What the legalities are in each state for microdosing
  • How to safely use these products and what they can do for mental health


  • [0:00] Welcome to the Summit For Wellness Podcast
  • [2:30] What is Kayse Gehret's background and what got her interested in plant medicine
  • [3:30] What is "plant medicine' in regards to microdosing
  • [4:00] How subtle are the effects from microdosing
  • [4:45] What is the point of microdosing and how is it compared to macrodosing
  • [5:45] When taking small amounts of psychedelics, what is that doing to your brain state
  • [7:15] Are microdoses of psychedelics safe to use, or are there issues you should be aware of
  • [9:15] If you are expecting a "numbing" feeling like an antidepressant usually provides, and the plant medicine does the opposite, can that cause issues for the person
  • [9:45] Are there addiction issues involved with plant medicines in small amounts
  • [10:45] These practices work even better combining them with other healthy practices
  • [11:15] How many different types of plant medicines are we using for microdosing
  • [12:30] Are all plant medicines providing the same effects, or are they all different
  • [13:45] What is the experience using psilocybin like
  • [14:45] How do you know you are taking a small enough dose and you aren't overdoing it
  • [15:45] How are you consuming these medicines, is it through eating them or smoking them
  • [17:30] What are the legalities around using these plant medicines and are there any states where you can do them
  • [18:45] By opening up states to decriminalizing psychedelics, is this also opening the doors for people to possibly be macrodosing on these substances
  • [20:45] By decriminalizing some of these substances, it also opens the doors for better and safer products that are regulated and reduces the chances of products being laced
  • [23:15] With so many people struggling with anxiety and depression, changing our approach and being open to these alternative options can have great impacts on improving people's minds
  • [24:30] What are the downsides of using microdoses of plant medicines
  • [26:45] The future may have centers with therapists, psychiatrists, and plant medicine all working together to help people with their mental health challenges
  • [28:15] Final thoughts about microdosing and plant medicine from Kayse Gehret

Resources From This Episode

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Transcript For Episode (Transcripts aren't even close to 100% Accurate)

Learn More About Kayse Gehret

Kayse Gehret teaches about microdosing plant medicines

Kayse Gehret teaches about microdosing plant medicines

About the author

Bryan Carroll CFMP, NTP, FAFS

Bryan Carroll is a certified Functional Medicine Practitioner and Movement Therapist who helps the outdoors community to reduce injuries and improve their health so they can get back to exploring nature. His big health crisis from mold exposure taught him the importance of finding the root causes to illnesses so you can take back control of your life. He is also the host of the Summit For Wellness Podcast.

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