162- Regenerative Medicine for Skin and Sexual Health with Dr. Amy Killen

[00:00:14] Bryan Carroll: Amazing skin and sex. It seems to be one of the most common desires amongst people as we begin to age in. Luckily. With anti-aging practices and regenerative medicine, we're starting to get better and better therapies that we can use to improve both of these what's up everyone.

My name is Bryan Carroll, and I'm here to help people move more, eat well and be adventurous. And today I have Dr. Amy Killen on the show to teach us all about different ways to utilize anti-aging practices and regenerative medicine to improve our skin health and our sexual health. Now there's a lot of different tools that can be used to improve both of these, including stem cells exome injections, peptides, light therapy, et cetera, which we'll be discussing in this episode with Dr.

Dr. Amy Killen is a leading anti-aging and regenerative physician specializing in skin and sex. She's also an international speaker clinical practice owner, medical director of a national regenerative medicine physician training course. She's an author and our frequent media guests, and she combined stem cells and exome injections with light sound and other energy based therapies to give patients unparalleled synergistic regenerative effects from.

Hair and sexual systems. So let's dive into my conversation with Dr. Amy. Thank you, Dr. Amy, for coming onto the show. I'm excited to be here. Yeah. And I'm excited to chat with you. I've been doing quite a few episodes lately on the regenerative medicine space, and I know you bring a really unique approach to that.

So before we get into that, let's learn a little bit more about you. What's your background. And then what got you into all this? 

[00:01:59] Dr. Amy Killen: So I was an ER doctor first. I was emergency physician for about 10 years. I'm board certified in emergency medicine. And towards the end of that, I had my three kids. I had twins and then I had one more within about a 20 month period.

And at the same time, my husband had moved out of state to take a job. So I was sort of the single parent of. Very small kids. And I was working at a job that required me to be at work at four in the morning, every day. And as you might imagine, I started to have problems with just a lot of stress, a lot of not eating well, exercising, not sleeping, like all the things that we know are bad for you.

I was doing all of them and, and I kind of got to a point where I realized that I was really unhealthy. And it also that my patients that I was seeing in the ER, like that were coming to see me, you know, for health problems, a lot of those patients were suffering from the exact same things and I couldn't really help them.

And so I decided to just start learning some new things. And so I spent a couple of years, you know, kind of transitioning learning about, you know, longevity, medicine, integrative medicine, anti-aging medicine, like whatever we want to call it, but essentially being healthy. Using some different tools and eventually got interested in regenerative medicine as well, which is kind of using your body to heal itself.

And so that was kind of my path into what I'm doing now. And I focus specifically on, on skin and sex now because I had so many patients that would come to me and ask for help with one of these two things. And I realized that there was a sort of a hole in what was being offered to people around these two subjects.

And so I became very interested in filling that. 

[00:03:33] Bryan Carroll: Now stress-related issues. That's one of the top reasons why people go to the doctor in the first place. 

[00:03:40] Dr. Amy Killen: You know, and they come in for a lot of other things, but stress is oftentimes one of the main things that are causing it. You know, we know that that chronic chronically elevated cortisol is responsible for everything from not being able to sleep, to gaining weight, to lack of motivation, to hormonal problems.

And of course you can, these can manifest in, in everything from depression to, you know, obesity, to, you know, so many other things. So stresses really, really. 

[00:04:07] Bryan Carroll: Now the regenerative medicine space seems to be pretty broad. Some people are using stem cells. Some people are using peptides, different types of supplements.

So can you talk about what is some of the main focus that you are doing within your regenerative medicines? 

[00:04:25] Dr. Amy Killen: Yeah. So I do a couple other things. I have, I have a partner Dr. Harry Adelson, who works up in park city with me at one of my offices. And we, the two of us do these big, we call them full body stem cell makeover procedures, where we essentially put the patient to sleep.

We get the patients themselves from bone marrow and we were doing fat before, and then we supplement with exosomes and The fluid, as well as some new stem cells called B cells and PRP. And we essentially do injections of the full spine, all the major joints. I do the, the scalp, the face, the neck and the sexual organs.

And we do it all in this sort of two and a half, three hour period of time. So in that case where you. Kind of all the things together. It's like a kitchen sink approach. You know, we, we think that they, they seem to all have some benefit we've used them together. But then I also do cases that are, you know, smaller cases where I'm just using exosomes or I'm just using PRP or, you know, things like that that are not as big a case.

And we're more targeting to maybe one problem. So it really depends on what I'm doing. 

[00:05:23] Bryan Carroll: Can you talk a little bit more about the process of using PRP or exosomes? Are you extracting these out of people and then spinning them, replicating them and then putting them back in? Or how does that. 

[00:05:35] Dr. Amy Killen: So the PRP, which is getting blood from the patient, we centrifuge it.

And then that's just going to concentrate the platelets in the CRM so that we have about five times or six times whole blood concentration. So we're just getting a lot of extra platelets in what, in the, in the serum. And we use that because the platelets have a lot of growth factors and cytokines within them.

And so when we inject those into a given area, They essentially will signal to the cells that are already there to start repairing that tissue or rejuvenating regenerating that tissue. And of course, PRP has been around for three decades at this point and is very safe. Exosomes are a little different now you can get them from the patient.

There's actually some new technologies that we're just starting to explore where we take blood from the patient. We send it off to a lab and they process it and get an isolate, the exosomes and send it back and the patient then can use their own exosomes. So that is something that's just now happening.

But but also the other option is that we can get ex. From labs that are using exosomes from umbilical birth products, like, you know placental tissue, a billable cords, things like that. So there, and so those, those would be donated birth products from C-section babies that were screened, and then they would put them in the vials and send them to us 

[00:06:48] Bryan Carroll: so interesting.

So when it comes to like skin and sex, so those are kind of. You know, different in a way, but they are kind of related too, right. People want their skin to look really good so that if they're in the bedroom, they will, they're looking at spectacular. What brought you to combining those two or focusing on those two-ish.

[00:07:09] Dr. Amy Killen: Yeah, it was, it was really just that this is what patients were asking for over and over again. And so I started learning about each of those things, separately, skin, hair, restoration, and sex. And then what I, what I started realizing was that they really are so connected. I mean, there's so much foundational health stuff.

That's important for all of those to be optimal, right? Like diet and exercise and sleep and stress and all of that. You have. All of those things, you know, optimize before you're going to have good skin or before you're going to have good sex and then same thing with hormones. They, they, they're just so many important hormonal issues with those skin and hair and sexual function.

And then and then the treatments that I'm using. Many of them overlap. So the things like stem cells and PRP and exosomes, I can use them for skin rejuvenation, hair restoration, sexual optimization. And then I can also use things like lasers red light therapy, shockwave therapy, like a lot of these same therapies.

I can use them for all of those as well. 

[00:08:05] Bryan Carroll: So when you are working on the skin, are you injecting directly into the skin or are you focusing all the underlying stuff that could be causing skin? Yeah. 

[00:08:15] Dr. Amy Killen: I mean, both I'm injecting, I, I treat specifically age related, you know, skin changes. So I'm not a dermatologist.

So if you have, you know, something that is requires dermatologist or requires a biopsy or things like that, then I refer out to my dermatology colleagues, but for age. Skin changes, I can inject directly into the skin. And then I also can do something like microneedling where you're, you know, applying a device that has little bitty needles that go up and down really fast, but they don't go very deep.

They only go about two millimeters deep. They create these little micro channels all over the skin, and then you can apply things topically like the exosomes or the PRP or. Vitamin C or other things topically, and then it gets absorbed really quickly into the deeper layers of the skin because you created the channels for it.

So I do a lot of microneedling and then I also will do injections. 

[00:09:05] Bryan Carroll: Oh man. That's so interesting. That's a, it's a whole different realm than what I, I know, that's for sure. So if you're doing needling, does that cause any scarring of any of this. 

[00:09:16] Dr. Amy Killen: It doesn't. I mean, there, there are cases where people who have a history of keloid scarring, which is, which is a subset of the population would have to be careful with any sort of needling, you know, any kind of injections.

So it's, it's a theoretical risk in those populations, but for everyone else, you're not, you're not going deep enough to cause scarring that you are just going deep enough to get right into that dermis, which is right below the epidermis and then be able to deliver, you know, these topicals into that level.

[00:09:43] Bryan Carroll: Fascinating. So one of the things you had mentioned is there can be a lot of underlying issues related to like the sexual function, hormones being one of them. Can regenerative medicine be used to change hormones in any way, or is that, or is a hormone part, just a separate part of the. 

[00:10:02] Dr. Amy Killen: I think that we'll start to see regenerative medicine working with hormones.

Certainly there are some peptide investigational peptide formulations out there that some people are doing. There are some, at least case reports of people using stem cells or exosomes or other things. Almost sort of turn back that biological clock to a degree and change hormones as well. And there are cases of people injecting stem cells and such into ovaries, for instance, to, to be able to kind of turn back menopause a little bit, but this is all under investigation.

So mostly the hormones are, we're treating those problems by just replacing hormones. And then we're using the regenerative injections for the structures that genitalia and other stressors. 

[00:10:45] Bryan Carroll: So when you're working on sexual function, are you injecting into these areas of people? And if so, is that. 

[00:10:54] Dr. Amy Killen: We use topical numbing cream.

So it would, it would be a little bit painful otherwise, although not as bad as you'd think it's actually interesting. The, I have a lot of men, you know, I do a lot of injections into penises, as well as women, as you know, I do vaginal and clitoral injections as well, but the men are always very nervous to have this done which I understand, but it's, it's much more painful to do scalp injections or even facial injections than it is to do these penis injections because it's a very small needle.

It's two injections. It's, it's really very simple, but yes, we do use numbing cream and it's not a big deal. 

[00:11:28] Bryan Carroll: I would have expected it to be a lot more painful than scalp injections or anything like that. Yeah. 

[00:11:33] Dr. Amy Killen: It's definitely it's. The scalp is really sensitive. You would not, you would not think it would hurt as much as it can.

We still, you know, we numb that up as well, but if you, if you don't get it pretty, it, it 

[00:11:41] Bryan Carroll: hurts. Do you also do GAINSWave there? 

[00:11:45] Dr. Amy Killen: We do. Yeah, we use, we do GAINSWave as well. And that's been we've. Doing gateway for about five years. We were the first people in Utah to do that. And I've worked with those guys a lot and that's actually really effective for men as well.

[00:11:57] Bryan Carroll: You need to talk a little bit more about what is GAINSWave actually. 

[00:12:01] Dr. Amy Killen: Yeah. So GAINSWave is high intensity sound waves, acoustic waves or pressure waves. We call them. And the other name for it is low intensity extracorporeal shockwave therapy, which is kind of a mouthful. But basically what you're doing is you have a, this handheld device that you're applying these these sound waves, these pressure waves to the pit, the penis, including the deep parts that you can't see.

And those sound waves are causing a little tiny bit of microtrauma, which is then recruiting stem cells to the area it's increasing growth factors that are going to. Blood vessel formation and blood flow over time. And it's also increasing local nitric oxide, which is going to bring more blood in. So we do a series of treatments, usually it's, we start with six treatments over three weeks in the office.

It takes about 30 minutes and then patients may come back for further series later. But it, you know, these, these treatments can really help with rectal dysfunction symptoms improving firmness and, and staying power and sensitivity and all those kinds of things 

[00:12:55] Bryan Carroll: that was going to be my next question is the people coming in.

Do they always have issues going on like EDA issues and whatnot, or can anyone come in and get this stuff done and what improve? 

[00:13:07] Dr. Amy Killen: Thank you. I have a lot of men who don't really have a lot of problems that they're just getting a little older, you know, they're over 35 or 40 and they're like, Hey, you know, I wonder if this would help.

And, and the feedback I get is that, that yes, they, they feel like that it, it makes things better, even though they didn't think that they had a lot going on to begin with. So it's, you know, we call it, you know, you can kind of help with sort of performance, even if you don't have a reptile dysfunction. And I think that the idea is a solid one.

Use these kinds of things to to continue, you know, to keep the blood flow and to keep the smooth muscle cells within the penis, healthy to keep them, you know, the nerves functioning, like all of that kind of stuff. Maybe you can prevent you from having problems later on. We don't know that for sure, but I think it's possible 

[00:13:48] Bryan Carroll: is GAINSWave also available for a vagina.

[00:13:52] Dr. Amy Killen: So you can do, yeah, you can do gains wave. I think they call it Femi wave, which is a different little protocol, but it's same, same machine. Just some different settings. So we can do that for women. And then there are some whole models that the, the Phoenix company, I don't know if you've seen the Phoenix, it's a home, it's a home shockwave therapy device that just came out with.

Female version of that as well. That there's not nearly as many there's I suppose. I know there aren't any studies in women with shockwave therapy. Whereas we have over 40 studies in looking at men and ed and shockwave therapy has been, you know, successful in men. So I think it makes sense that it would work in women, but it's just not nearly as well.

So. 

[00:14:32] Bryan Carroll: One of my questions is around stereotypes. Do you find that males are less likely to come in and ask for help on these stuff compared to females? Or what have you seen in your own experience? I've 

[00:14:46] Dr. Amy Killen: actually seen that females are more or less likely to come in. That males are more likely. If you tell men I have something that will make your penis stronger and work better, they're like, sign me up.

Like they're there. They don't even ask. Like, they're just like, okay, I want that. Whereas women, I feel like a lot of women have been. Either taught or they just kind of internalize this idea that that their, their pleasure is not quite as important. And so I th or the, or that they don't have any options that there's not a lot of tools out there for them.

So I think that women have a little bit harder time asking for help because either they don't think it's important or they don't think you can help them. So that's kinda what I see. 

[00:15:26] Bryan Carroll: Yep. Yeah. I can totally see that. So it's kind of the opposite of the stereotypes that I would expect. 

[00:15:32] Dr. Amy Killen: Men are a little bit more like they can be embarrassed at first, but then like once you're like, once they get over that, they're like, okay, I want that.

[00:15:42] Bryan Carroll: Yep. I can totally see that the ego kicks in, right. You want, you want to have as much power as possible or control as possible in the bedroom. So when you're doing these type of treatments with people, are you also giving them. Lifestyle changes or other changes that they can do to enhance the success rate of these regenerative medicine, the applicant.

[00:16:05] Dr. Amy Killen: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I have kind of two different sets of patients, the ones that are local and live near me, the ones that are in salt lake city area, and that are, are, are generally patients at, we have a clinic called bio restoration and those patients will come in, you know, periodically for hormones and lifestyle and supplements.

And you know, like they're getting their healthcare. They're, they're getting their labs checked and all of that. And those patients absolutely. We're working with. On all facets of health and wellness and kind of betterment. But then I also have patients that come in from out of state or out of the country to see me at my park city clinic.

And that's where we're doing a lot of the stem cells and kind of higher level regenerative stuff. And those patients I'm only seeing for, you know, half a day. And so I don't work with them specifically, but I do. You know, kind of talk to them about making sure that they're, they're dialing these things.

And a lot of them are, are these sort of very healthy longevity, kind of biohacker people who are already really, really in tune with what's out there, what they should be doing. They're just looking for that next thing. 

[00:17:04] Bryan Carroll: Can you utilize peptides in supplemental form for people that are more virtual or not in the same area as you and still get similar results?

[00:17:15] Dr. Amy Killen: You mean like, like, like people who are not coming into the office, 

[00:17:19] Bryan Carroll: like you're not seeing them in directly. 

[00:17:22] Dr. Amy Killen: So I, I don't prescribe to anyone. I don't see in person. I, I, we make sure that we see them at least once in person just because of the rules and with prescribing. And I think it's difficult, especially with pep peptides are already considered pretty investigational and, and there's a lot of trickiness and kind of rules around them.

So we, at our, at both of our offices, we require at least one in-person visit before we're, before we're doing any kind of prescriptions. 

[00:17:47] Bryan Carroll: Okay. And so once you see them, then you're able to provide peptides or give them other prescriptions that could benefit them. 

[00:17:56] Dr. Amy Killen: Exactly. Yeah. Once we see them, either me or one of my, I have a number of great medical providers who work with me.

And so as long as one of us have seen them, then we can do, you know, kind of remote visits for the, you know, for the next year. But we do require once a yearly in-person visits. 

[00:18:11] Bryan Carroll: Are there any peptides that you really like foreskin. 

[00:18:16] Dr. Amy Killen: Yeah, G H K copper is a kind of tried and true. It's been around for a long time and it's in a lot of, of your creams and serums and things.

And that's a great topically for skin. It's great topically for hair restoration, especially if you combine it with something like zinc formula for for women and for men and then GSK copper, you actually can inject it as well. And that can be useful in sort of peptide cycles, but a lot of people, you know, depending on your preference, don't like, and doing, you know, daily injections that can be kind of.

[00:18:44] Bryan Carroll: And what's your favorite peptides for sexual health? 

[00:18:48] Dr. Amy Killen: PT 1 41, which actually is now available as an FDA approved product for women called Balisi. Unfortunately it's about $700. If, if you don't have insurance, that's going to pay for it, which they don't all they always, but the PT 1 41 peptide is much less expensive and we've had that for years.

And that actually is interesting cause it works in the, at the hypothalamus in your brain and it works via a pathway called the melanocortin pathway. Too. And so unlike Viagra or Cialis, which is just going to increase blood flow and nothing else PT, 1 41 actually increases like libido, sexual interests.

Like, you know, it increases like your interest as well as arousal and erections and such. So it actually works in several different ways. And a lot of men who don't respond to Viagra or sales will actually have response to PT 1 41 and then women, which have, you know, who have very few options. When it comes to pharmacological options for sex, a lot of them will also respond to it.

So that's a great peptide, if you can get it. 

[00:19:48] Bryan Carroll: Okay. Is it hard to get. 

[00:19:51] Dr. Amy Killen: Well, you have to have a doctor who is familiar with it and is willing to prescribe it to you. So it's not hard to get if you have such a doctor, but it is, you know, all of these peptides unfortunately, are becoming more and more difficult to get the FDA has cracked down on some of them.

So we have fewer places to get them. And we're just, we're a little bit limited on some of them. 

[00:20:11] Bryan Carroll: Now, one of the things I see a lot in the regenerative medicine space is a term anti-aging and like a lot of the stuff that you're doing with this game, you're trying to reverse or slow down that aging process, make the skin look more youthful, et cetera.

Do you think there is at any point where we can actually completely reverse the aging process or can we only slow it down 

[00:20:34] Dr. Amy Killen: right now? We can slow it. However, I think very soon in the next five years or so we will, we'll, we'll actually start seeing actual age reversal. I know that you know, I've, I've spoken with a lot of the people who were doing that, you know, the work with gene therapy, like bill Andrews and like working with cellular reprogramming, like Davidson Sinclair, and, you know, they're, they're still testing some of these things in animal models, but some of that's actually being, being tested in humans.

And so I think that we will start to be able to see that actual reversal, which is pretty cool. 

[00:21:04] Bryan Carroll: That's crazy. I wonder what that would do for the population though. If everyone just really slows down or stops aging process, would we still die at similar ages as now? Or would we just look super youthful as we die?

[00:21:20] Dr. Amy Killen: A couple of different thoughts on it? I mean, the idea is the goal is to keep people healthier, longer. Even if they don't live longer, you know, obviously if you can live longer and be healthier, longer, that's great. And there's, but there's been a, quite a lot of analysis done in that field. I don't know if you've read lifespan by David Sinclair, but the latter half of the book he talks a lot about.

Yeah, the concerns people have about overpopulation. You know, the fact that like, if we have all these people and they're living so long, and they're also healthy, like what's that gonna do to our, our world, but it actually turns out that we could save trillions of dollars because you have people who are still working and they're still contributing and they're not, they're not, they're not eating up all of this, you know, healthcare money at that, the last couple of years of their life, like we have right now where people, you know, at the last five years of your life, You're just eating up and consuming healthcare dollars because you're so sick.

So if we could, if we could make it so you're well, well, well, well, well, and then you just die versus like the slow decline in health. Then I think that we would actually see a lot of benefits. 

[00:22:20] Bryan Carroll: That'd be really nice actually, because that's one of the things I've always wondered is, is it worth living these long ages?

If you're feeling crappy for the last 20 years of your. 

[00:22:30] Dr. Amy Killen: No, I think it's, I think it's, I mean, obviously every person has their own answer, but I think that most, most people would probably say it's, it's not, that's not ideal. Like my grandmother is a hundred years old and she's super sweet. She's still with it.

Every time I see her, she's like, well, I'm going to die soon, but it's okay. She's so cute. But you know, I think that when you lose all your friends and you don't feel good and you're, you know, you can't walk well, you can't see well, and all of that. Then people oftentimes lose hope. And so the idea would be to try to stop that from happening.

[00:23:02] Bryan Carroll: Yup. My great grandma, she passed away a couple of years ago at 98 years old, but she was saying that same thing starting at like 80, wasn't going to die soon. And then 

[00:23:11] Dr. Amy Killen: yeah, whenever I see her, she's always like, she'll walk around the house and she'll point to things and be like, you see this, this quilt, Amy, that's going to be yours when I die soon, you see this painting, this is going to be yours.

Like just like grandmother. You've been saying that for 20 years.

[00:23:29] Bryan Carroll: That's so funny. Well, are there any final things that you want to make sure that we touch on when it comes to regenerative medicine, especially around skin and sexual function and at health around those areas? I mean, 

[00:23:41] Dr. Amy Killen: I think just, just make sure that you know, that there are a lot of options out there.

Like people, a lot of people don't know that there are some really cool things that that we can do for skin health, for hair restoration, for sexual health, for men and women. And that, you know, that don't give up. If you're having some concerns or problems, like there's probably some tools out there now that we could use to help you.

[00:24:01] Bryan Carroll: And don't be afraid to ask for the help. Like it shouldn't be taboo. I feel like for a long time, this type of stuff was taboo and it shouldn't be. 

[00:24:08] Dr. Amy Killen: Totally. Yeah. That's and that's why I do, you know, I was, I, I, that's why I do so many podcasts. It's like, I want people to know that this is okay to talk about, like, it's not just, okay, like you shouldn't be talking about it.

Like let's make this something that, that is not a big 

[00:24:21] Bryan Carroll: deal. Yep. Well, people can find more about you at Dr. Amy killen.com and you'll also have a peptide oral supplement. Can you talk a little bit more about. 

[00:24:32] Dr. Amy Killen: Yeah. So I just came out with an oral peptide combination. It's BPC 1 5, 7, AOD 9, 6 0 4, which is a growth hormone fragment and and a non peptide called pea.

And th this is an oral daily supplement. That's amazing for promoting healing. So musculoskeletal healing, skin healing, and skin health, as well as gut health. And you can get that at letter 11, labs.com all spelled out. And if you use the code killin, twenty-five, they'll get 25%. 

[00:25:00] Bryan Carroll: Perfect. And all that will be in the show [email protected] slash 1 6 2.

So if people forget where exactly to go, you can just go to the show notes and that'll take you right to the rapid rebound product. Well, Amy, thank you so much for coming on. Like I said, I've been having quite a few episodes on regenerative medicine the past few months and. I think it's absolutely fascinating the direction things are going.

And I'm really excited to see kind of like what you said the next five years will be really telling what exactly we can do with the anti-aging process. And we'll see a lot of changes in people, for sure. 

[00:25:35] Dr. Amy Killen: Yeah. Well, thank you so much for having me. 

[00:25:39] Bryan Carroll: It was a blast chatting with Dr. Amy, about how to age gracefully in different ways to use regenerative medicine, to improve our skin health and our sexual functions.

And what a story coming over from the ER, and then making her way into regenerative medicine. The different things she has experienced in her career is unparalleled compared to most other physicians out there. So anyone working in an ER. Look up to them. They see some of the craziest stuff that you would ever see as a physician.

So thank you to any, anyone working in the ER is out there. Now, if you want to learn more about Dr. Amy, then head on over to Dr. Amy killen.com and you can learn how you can connect with her. Learn more about regenerative medicine and see if anything that she has available is something that could help benefit to you.

Next week. I have Casey Garrett on the show. Let's go learn who she is and what we'll be learning about. I am here with Casey Garrett. Hey, Casey, what is one unique thing about you that most people don't know? 

[00:26:44] Kayse Gehret: I am a massive, massive NCAA college basketball fan. 

[00:26:49] Bryan Carroll: Really? So when March madness comes around, you're all in, huh?

I have a slower 

[00:26:55] Kayse Gehret: response rate that mug. Yes. 

[00:26:58] Bryan Carroll: That must've been a really big bummer when they canceled it like two years ago, like two days before it was about to start. 

[00:27:06] Dr. Amy Killen: Yes. I think I brought a book or something that year. Yeah. 

[00:27:11] Bryan Carroll: Well, what will we be learning about in our interview together? 

[00:27:15] Kayse Gehret: We will be learning about microdosing, the practice of taking small sub perceptual mounts of.

Psychedelic or entheogenic plant medicines and incorporating that into your 

[00:27:28] Dr. Amy Killen: daily life 

[00:27:30] Bryan Carroll: in what are your favorite foods or nutrients that you think everyone should get more of in their day? 

[00:27:36] Kayse Gehret: Well, mushrooms of course have so many positive attributes. And they're so fun to check out, you know, it's such a, such a fascinating array of mushrooms.

So a great resource for that is Paul Stamets. Who's a very famous mycologist checking out him and his website is a great place to Check out an array of mushrooms that you may or may not have ever heard of. I also love microgreens microgreens are really fun, easy way. And if you have an indoor space, they're easy to fund to grow indoors and you can put them on fi fun, putting them on everything.

And then this time of year, like fall and winter, I love love root vegetables are really good. And. They're also really grounding for a time, or, you know, it's never a dull moment here in the United States. They stay at. And so at any foods that are deeply nourishing and grounding to our energy so the root root veggies I would recommend to.

[00:28:33] Bryan Carroll: And what are your top three health tips for anyone who wants to improve their overall wellness? 

[00:28:40] Kayse Gehret: Oh, wow. I think tops would be to develop a daily contemplative practice. There's nothing that has been more meaningful and life-changing to me than having, and that could be a meditation practice, yoga.

Chigong just whatever resonates with you, but doing something every day, preferably in the morning, I'm also doing something of service each and every day. Some people have a gratitude practice. Given practice. And it's amazing how much like how small this is, but we live in such a transactional culture these days here in the United States where we don't, we're kind of wired.

We do something when we're getting something. And so each day to like develop a giving practice or being of service, even if it's just a supportive friend or support small business without expecting anything in return has, you know, energetic karmic and just. Feel good benefits that are 

[00:29:39] Dr. Amy Killen: far 

[00:29:39] Kayse Gehret: beyond, you know, whatever act.

And lastly, I would say doing really discovery, what brings you joy in this lifetime? You know, some of us wait so many decades before, you know, we tap back into that and it's like, what we really, really love to do. So I'd say that's one thing that's so important to do is really. Finding what your own unique, joyous, and having some connection to that on a, on a daily basis.

[00:30:08] Bryan Carroll: It's going to be a lot of fun learning all about microdosing and how to utilize these different psychedelics and very small forms to see how it can impact your health. So until then keep climbing to the peak of your health.